Tax fraud/evasion should be punished severely

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Taxation is not theft. Theft is when you ILLEGALY take some thing away from someone who owns or carries the right to that thing.

However, tax fraud or tax evasion is theft, because the State & Government owns the tax money that YOU owe to the State & Government.
You enjoy the protection from the State, and you live in the State, and therefore everything you do, say or even think, is subject to State regulation.

If I go inside your house, I am subject to your rules and regulations. If you go into a state, you are subject to the regulations of that state.
It's that simple. Your house, your "private property" is lended to you by the state, which it can take back at any time whenever it need it, whenever it thinks it need it,
or simply whenever it feels like it want it.

In-fact, in a democratic country, tax evasion is STEALING from the PEOPLE, and as such, is a serious offense, which I believe should be punished severely.

For clarity: in all/most states six months determines residency. For example, "snow birds" that live in Ohio for six months, and live in Florida for six months, don't have to pay any state tax, because they can claim "Florida residency".

Minnesota has considered a "snow bird" tax to get money from these people ...
http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy ... ay-not-fly

How do they own it?
And why do I owe it?
Why am I automatically subjected to the whims of others who hold me to their standards with a gun just because I was born in their locality?
Why is that since my family predates the government and our land has been ours for more than a hundred years longer than the government that just because a government forms and decides that our lands belong to it that they do?
Is our labor also the property of the state? Is that why my family was forced into the coalmines for generations with the military pointing guns at us, shooting at us when we asked for a sustainable wage?
I'm out. I don't want to see your fascist words again.

Pardon me, but I do believe his words are far from fascist. He is stating an authoritarian communist position. Fascism is opposed to communism.

You are right that the position presented is an extreme one. I certainly don't want to live in a society where people have no right to any of their property at all.

I f*****g hate taxes.

It forces you to be a part of a system whether you want to or not.

I can't recall signing any document saying I want to be a part of any commune.

Florida has no state tax, so it does not matter how long one lives there. (state income tax)You can move to Florida tomorrow, go get tags for your vehicle the next day and claim residency and save gobbles of money compared to registering a vehicle in most other states.

It does matter how long you live there. If your home is in say Ohio, then Ohio law says that you have to live in Florida at least 6 months to file your state taxes in Florida.

Residency is where you spent the majority of the year (i.e., >= 6 months)

wp too wanky for me to waste time composing a reply only to watch the site spin in circles for twenty minutes when I hit submit only to lose everything I have written

Hitting Go Back might work.

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I have hit "go back", I have copied my text with the intent of posting it again only to see it never copied. What this site needs most is a good thrashing with a sledge

Are all states valid and legitimate, in every time and place?



A state is not really an entity unto itself. It is a group of people, sometimes a very small group of people. Why should some people have a dictatorial power over others?

For clarification, I am NOT stating an Authoritian Communist position. All I do is to present the facts.
The only opinion I presented was that it should be punished severely for tax evasion.

The fact that the government owns you is a fact of life. Like gravity is a fact of life. You can't really be against gravity, because it is just like it is.
You can do nothing about it.

There are different levels of government intervention and how the governments of the world assert their property rights over their citizens, or residents for that matter.

It depends on what you mean by "valid" or "legitimate".
Really, all it boils down to, is its strength in relation to other powers. If a government falls and gets replaced by another government, it clearly had no validity or legitimation.
The same goes for its relations to other countries. the U.S. invades and annex Russia, the Russian government lose all legitimation. If China invades (and annex) India, India lose all legitimation.

Really, it's quite simple and boils down to the laws and forces of Nature.




It is a group of people stronger than you.

If you want to talk ethics, lets start an Ethics discussion, and forget ALL about strength and forces of nature. I'm all in favor of that, however, Ethics discussions always gets poisoned by other discussions, so does
a discussion of strength and might is right-discussion gets poisoned and infected by a discussion of ethics. If you want to talk Ethics, we stay entirely on Ethics, nothing else.

Because I have plenty of Ethical arguments in favor of taxation, or rather Negative Tax.

Uh...



Something here isn't quite lining up with "not stating communist positions"... Because your political theory is pretty indistinguishable from communist terror doctrine.



And what exactly do you propose? Are you on the "forced starvation" angle again?

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Taxation creates obligations between the state and the citizen.

When the state acts as if it has no obligations to the citizen, the duty of taxation ceases to exist and it becomes theft of property by threat of force.

True.