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30 Sep 2014, 1:42 pm

I've been writing on AtheistForums.com for quite some time now. And I can tell you, these people are no better than the religious nuts they are attacking.

You can't disagree with them. If you do, even the moderator of the forum will shout out vulgar language towards you, attacking you as a person/individual, and even accusing you of being a
religious nut yourself.

I simply can't help but notice again, and again, and again throughout history of mankind, that every community will be angry towards anyone who do not conform strictly to their ideas.

I did not attack Darwin. You know what I did? All I asked was if there was a possibility that religion is not neccessarily the root of all evil, but that evil comes from politics, and that the
religious nuts aren't really pulling religion down on politics, its the other way around: One's political opinions are reflected in your religious beliefs. Ie. If you think God hates liberals,
it is because YOU hate liberals.

That innocent little thing could get the atheist forum members into a vulgar attack on me as a person, shouting "f**k you", "do you f*****g understand that..."

I don't hate atheists. I don't hate religious people. But I hate communities and group adherence and I despise conformity.
THAT is the root of all evil. And atheists are conformists too, when grouped, thus they become no better than the religious people.



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30 Sep 2014, 2:19 pm

Any chance of a link to the discussion?



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30 Sep 2014, 2:26 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
I did not attack Darwin.


I argued on WP the premise of the movie 'Prometheus' is possible, that evolution could be pre-determined based on DNA forming selectively (based on deterministic bias) and had to endure numerous insults.

Insults come from insecurity, so when an atheist insults you, it exposes their lack of confidence in what they believe.



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30 Sep 2014, 2:31 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Any chance of a link to the discussion?


Sorry. Here it is:

http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=6254.0



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30 Sep 2014, 3:11 pm

Thanks.

I've had a quick look through some of the threads on there and, let's be honest, it's hardly a hotbed of intelligent discussion and original thought. That Dunkle guy's avatar states that he is a "proud as*hole", which requires only the addition of the prefix "disproportionately" to accurately represent him.

I think it's safe to say the problem here has less to do with theistic leanings, more to do with an online community bereft of sensible moderation. That Dunkle himself is a moderator is itself a damning indictment.

I do agree, to an extent, with your views on communities in general - especially online forums for special interest groups. All too often they devolve into a quasi-parodic caricature of the worst possible aspects of their denizens, as each new post is met by mutual back-patting and "outsiders" are flamed into submissive obedience to the hive-mind.

TL:DR trolls gonna troll



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30 Sep 2014, 4:32 pm

A zealot by any other name...


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30 Sep 2014, 7:57 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
A zealot by any other name...

Agreed


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30 Sep 2014, 9:09 pm

There are extremists in every group. In the Atheist community, Atheist forums is a quasi-extremist group. In the Christian community, from what I have seen of your posts here, I would categorize you as an extremist. Atheist forums do not represent the majority of Atheists. What is your purpose in visiting Atheist forums? Are you trying to understand and create dialogue to tolerance or are you going to Atheist forums in order to troll and argue? If you have 2 extremes joining together with no intent or desire to understand each other you are going to have conflict, and nothing else. Maybe you are as much responsible for what you are experiencing in their forums as they are.



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30 Sep 2014, 9:32 pm

The whole trouble with any such discussion is a combination of ignorance and intolerance.

Ignorance is not a bad thing, but when people try to push an agenda based on ignorance, that's when it's a bad thing.

Intolerance is also another type of ignorance. It assumes that regardless of where someone is in their life, you can badger them or disrespect them into changing their view. Doing so actually ignores the person they are targeting.

A good example of such intolerance is Richard Dawkins. I have very similar beliefs to him, but I dislike his belittling attitude in how he treats theists.


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01 Oct 2014, 1:44 pm

So all atheists are comparable to religious nuts? Are there no atheists comparable to religious non-nuts? Are there no atheist non-nuts?


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01 Oct 2014, 3:13 pm

I see the OP has a clear 3 step plan for dealing with Athiests.

Step 1: Sign up for a website that I would never actually associate with.
Step 2: Post my own religious f***nuttery to troll and provoke them.
Step 3: Make thread in other forum and pretend I'm a put upon victim.

Well done! You sure showed them! :wink:



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01 Oct 2014, 3:58 pm

Hey, I'm an atheist. I ain't no..., wait. Does OCD mean I'm a nut? Ok, I'm probably a nut.

But I won't call you stupid for believing in something that doesn't exist. That's entirely up to you.



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01 Oct 2014, 5:51 pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but is this the same site you were bitching about a few months ago? The one where you have got them so exasperated by your refusal to accept basic premises that they either ignore you or now resort to insults?

So here you, are pissed off because people elsewhere are sick and tired of your nonsense, so you come on here and insult non believers. :roll:


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01 Oct 2014, 6:04 pm

I would revise the title a tad.

Some atheists are no better than some religious people.

That's closer to the truth... also, most atheists are better than some religious people, and most religious people are better than some atheists, and some atheists are better than most religious people, and so forth.



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01 Oct 2014, 6:16 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
So all atheists are comparable to religious nuts? Are there no atheists comparable to religious non-nuts? Are there no atheist non-nuts?


In a world where it's reasonable to say 'nothing good comes from religion' it's reasonable to assert that ALL atheists are comparable to religious nuts... :roll:


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01 Oct 2014, 6:25 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
I did not attack Darwin.


I argued on WP the premise of the movie 'Prometheus' is possible, that evolution could be pre-determined based on DNA forming selectively (based on deterministic bias) and had to endure numerous insults.

That is not an accurate statement, incidentally.

After you stated that the premise of "Prometheus" was possible, there were several firm but civil pages dedicated to showing that you were wrong. You made scientific, philosophical and logical errors, but were not insulted until you said there was
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50% chance life evolved based on science theory
25% chance based on religious creationism
10% chance of alien GODs
15% chance of alternate theories

I have an open mind. Would you bet your life that evolution theory is right? I wouldn't. "Evolution theory" may be vastly different in a hundred years. Scientists in the future will say, "it was foolish but scientists a 100 years ago actually believed ....".

At which point you had already said that "evolution science is not taken seriously" (which is utter tripe - people in fields other than biology apply knowledge of evolution to their work).

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^ you have an open mind, really? if you seriously give creationism a 25% chance of being correct then I would say your mind is open to just about all forms of nonsense and BS. I have not taken much notice so far in this particular thread because I am simply sick and bloody tired of repeating the same facts to the same sort of religious minds.

You lot use Faith to completely ignore the facts whenever it suits you, its pathetic. stop being so bloody stubborn and stupid, admit that genesis is nothing more than a series of stories written in a time of abject biological and geological ignorance, and it is all wrong.

Its really kind of sad, here we are with the repository of the worlds knowledge literally at our fingertips, and here you are ignoring all this wealth of information, instead preferring the opinions of people who were writing before the wheel had been invented. Educating people like you is a waste of resources.


You were insulted because you believe evolution is as likely to be wrong as it is right, despite the overwhelming evidence that it is right. You were not insulted because you said "there is a remote possibility that life on Earth could have been designed by super advanced aliens".

TallyMan then called you "deluded and ignorant" on the next page after you continued to provide evidence to support that hypothesis. You had already called people "arrogant" and compared them unfavourably to your "open mind" when they pointed out that your ideas did not make sense.

But by all means, continue to present a distorted picture of the evidence in order to support your world view.