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09 Oct 2014, 7:31 pm

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adifferentname wrote:
Any chance of a link to the discussion?


Sorry. Here it is:

http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=6254.0

I am an agnostic that leans towards atheism. That staff member makes atheism look moronic.
He constantly commits fallacies and then "proves" them with ad hominums.
I hate it when morons are on my side and make my side look moronic!


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09 Oct 2014, 7:37 pm

It is true that our universe seems incredibly fine tuned for life. (Google Paul Davies). However, the multi-verse, Everret many worlds combined with the anthropic principle offers a rational and atheistic explanation.


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09 Oct 2014, 8:43 pm

Good grief!! ! I have been reading other posts of his, * he has about a third graders understanding of philosophy and logic!! !
* In particular his answers in the existence thread.
Remember, I do not believe in God. I am embarrassed to be associated with someone so ignorant, incapable of logic and arrogant!
I have submitted an application for that forum and if accepted, he will run for his mommy crying, unfair, unfair he destroyed all my arguments! :D
Unfortunately, he will probably read this (as part of the process of determining if I am worthy of joining his forum) and reject me. The weak always avoid a fight.


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10 Oct 2014, 7:14 am

there are extremists on both end of the line, just as there are theists that will do anything to try to prove that god does indeed exists, there are atheists that will do the reverse.
the only objective truth is that gods existence cannot be proven, nor disproven, unless he himself steps onto earth and reveals himself (and even then i personally would doubt him).
actually disproving him is by definition impossible, since you cannot prove that something does not exist or is impossible to happen.

i myself am an agnostic, i do not believe that a god exists, but not atheistic, i do not believe that there is no god, i just admit willingly that i do not know.
i do, however, believe that the god of the christian bible is not real, since there are too much contradictions in his extended holy books, and there is too much overlap with the other major religions to have one of them being the absolute truth in exclusion of the others.

so, if you ask me if there is a 'higher power', a 'something out there', i'd say: possibly, i'm not arguing that there isn't.
if you ask me about the christian god (or any other god, including allah or jaweh/jehowa), i'd say: likely not due to the others' claims.



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10 Oct 2014, 10:08 am

izzeme wrote:
there are extremists on both end of the line, just as there are theists that will do anything to try to prove that god does indeed exists, there are atheists that will do the reverse.
the only objective truth is that gods existence cannot be proven, nor disproven, unless he himself steps onto earth and reveals himself (and even then i personally would doubt him).
actually disproving him is by definition impossible, since you cannot prove that something does not exist or is impossible to happen.

i myself am an agnostic, i do not believe that a god exists, but not atheistic, i do not believe that there is no god, i just admit willingly that i do not know.
i do, however, believe that the god of the christian bible is not real, since there are too much contradictions in his extended holy books, and there is too much overlap with the other major religions to have one of them being the absolute truth in exclusion of the others.

so, if you ask me if there is a 'higher power', a 'something out there', i'd say: possibly, i'm not arguing that there isn't.
if you ask me about the christian god (or any other god, including allah or jaweh/jehowa), i'd say: likely not due to the others' claims.


You are an agnostic atheist actually. I don't believe there is a god either (atheism), but I don't know for sure there isn't one of some definition (agnostic). I believe some Gods can be disproved however, since there are attributes described about him that can be shown to be false beyond a reasonable doubt. It is possible to prove that some things don't exist.



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12 Oct 2014, 11:04 am

Well my request was granted.
I am Wittgenstein there also.
They ( including staff) were calling a poster a poopy head etc, with no reason.
I showed that the poster's argument was invalid but should be respected because it mirrored Berkeley's and Berkeley's version of the argument and Berkeley are respected.
WOW! They came back and said I failed HS math ( there was no math in my argument) , that I was a troll for "defending" ( remember I showed that it was invalid) his argument....
I was polite to show how obnoxious they are. They proved it!! They are not a legitimate site. They are a bunch of kids that thought it would be cool to have an atheist site and say how brilliant they are. Pathetic!
I am sure they will ban me and probably erase all my posts because those posts prove that I was polite and did nothing worthy of a ban.
I am still an agnostic atheist! But that experience showed me that atheists can be as dogmatic as a fundamentalist.


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12 Oct 2014, 11:20 am

yep, they banned me!
I bet they erased all my posts because they prove that I was polite. Can anyone check?
Their site is a disaster because all the moderators are teenage trolls. It makes me appreciate this site more.


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12 Oct 2014, 2:59 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
I've been writing on AtheistForums.com for quite some time now. And I can tell you, these people are no better than the religious nuts they are attacking.

You can't disagree with them. If you do, even the moderator of the forum will shout out vulgar language towards you, attacking you as a person/individual, and even accusing you of being a
religious nut yourself.

I simply can't help but notice again, and again, and again throughout history of mankind, that every community will be angry towards anyone who do not conform strictly to their ideas.

I did not attack Darwin. You know what I did? All I asked was if there was a possibility that religion is not neccessarily the root of all evil, but that evil comes from politics, and that the
religious nuts aren't really pulling religion down on politics, its the other way around: One's political opinions are reflected in your religious beliefs. Ie. If you think God hates liberals,
it is because YOU hate liberals.

That innocent little thing could get the atheist forum members into a vulgar attack on me as a person, shouting "f**k you", "do you f*****g understand that..."

I don't hate atheists. I don't hate religious people. But I hate communities and group adherence and I despise conformity.
THAT is the root of all evil. And atheists are conformists too, when grouped, thus they become no better than the religious people.


"And atheists are conformists too, when grouped, thus they become no better than the religious people"

According to YOU that is.

At least there weren't groups of atheists putting people to torture.
Or drowning them as witches.
Or taking over a people's country (in God and Queen's name of course) and killing them in their millions.
Most slave owners were publicly religious.
And I never heard of an atheist "priest" abusing children, but I have heard of many religions that have.

ETC. ETC. ETC.

In fact other than you getting your panties in a twist I don't remember hearing of ANY inhumane acts by groups of atheists; have you?



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14 Oct 2014, 1:05 am

The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression is a book written by several European academics and edited by Stéphane Courtois, which documents a history of repressions, both political and civilian, by communist states, including genocides, extrajudicial executions, deportations, and artificial famines.

Stéphane Courtois states that "Communist regimes turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government". He claims that the death toll totals 94 million.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_ ... _Communism

It is not know the precice amount of people who were tortured and otherwise abused by these determinedly atheistic communist regimes.



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14 Oct 2014, 5:54 am

And now in Russia christian priests call to kill or deport liberals and atheists. They do it even on TV in prime time and major newspapers. I am liberal, atheist, I live in Russia. So I hate christians.

About commie regimes - don't somebody really thinks they were killing people because of religion? Hah, no. They suppressed every opposition - religion, nationalism, liberalism, pacifism, civil rights, they imprisoned homosexuals as well as nazis, kept human rights activists in sanitariums for years. Chinese civil war caused 50 millions of deaths - and these were mainly common people for which religion was never any important part of live, just a tradition.

We can also remember Hunger in the Ukraine caused by soviet communists to brake Ukrainian nation and make it complicant. Millions were dead by commies without any religious causes.

At the same time in SOviet Union there was always strong church organization for christians so as for muslim. Here, nice photo - USSR General Secretary Brezhnev celebrates Christmas with Orthodox Patriarch and some other priests: http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/1212/a2/d0d49d09c2a0.jpg

So every liberal, every democrat has no less rights to hate communism then any religious man.



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14 Oct 2014, 7:24 am

There are good Christians (Unitarians, Quakers etc)
There are evil Christians (Rev Phelps etc)
There are good atheists (Dawkins myself etc)
There are evil atheists (Stalin, Mao)
That was the common sense that the OP writer gave in atheist forum. His position was never attacked because it is unassailable. So instead the moderators threw personal attacks at him like chimpanzees throwing feces.
I am an agnostic atheist but do not include me with those idiots at atheist forum. I am a good atheist. They are bad atheists.


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14 Oct 2014, 7:51 am

YIKES! See my post 9 posts back! * The one that began "good grief."
I was typing fast and made it sound like I was talking about the OP writer. I was referring to the moderators at atheist forum.
Was that an aspie moment? I had just gotten thru reading a moderator's gibberish (at atheist forum) and had just gotten back to wrong planet. My concentration was still on an enemy of free inquirey and with my tunnel vision assumed (wrongly) that even in the new context it would be obvious who I was referring to.
* Would it be possible at this forum to number the posts? At other forums I can simply say,"see post 308," or "continuation of post 13".


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14 Oct 2014, 8:37 am

These posts we make do have some kind of serial number. Ive seen folks link to posts from dead threads from half a year before by posting serial numbers.

Like " Hey JoeBlow! This person disagrees with you!" followed by "post 780657" which links to JoeBlow himself expressing the opposite opininon on the same subject in a thread a year before.

But as far as I can see the numbers are not obviously displayed (as they are on many other forums). So I dont know how one goes about referencing a particular post via number.



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14 Oct 2014, 2:50 pm

When Tally Man gets back he'll tell us.

Where's he been lately? I know he was having 'puter problems a
while back. :(



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14 Oct 2014, 4:47 pm

I am eagerly awaiting. His memory aint good!


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14 Oct 2014, 4:59 pm

Is tally the moderator that quit WP? Hell if I know, I'm an aspie! Anyway, his complaint resonates. WP is a fantastic site., * Oh, well thats life!
He did that in 2013. Is this an annual going out of business sale. I love the guy. But really?
* at least his "last" complaint made sense to me. I hate (technical difficultys) especially, trying to find my last post and getting ", old ids could not be erased."


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