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12 Oct 2014, 7:45 pm

For all the hand wringing about open carry, can anyone actually show that it causes problems? As in violent problems, not 'people who are ignorant of the law freaking out' problems?


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12 Oct 2014, 8:06 pm

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So where have you been in the US where all these "amateur nuts" were brazenly walking around armed?.


My attendance was not required. There is enough anecotal stories of said amateur nuts on the internet, case in point the idiot in the story of the OP who had his pistol exposed.

Ah, good old internet stories. And so what if is postol is exposed? Personally, unless I'm out in the boonies, I prefer concealed carry but that's just me. I do and always will support open carry for those who prefer that. So please explain to the rest of the class how open (or concealed) carry is such a menace to society. BTW, "I feel" or "I saw it on the internet" aren't explanations.

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I've only been to the United States twice, which was a long time ago and i'm not in a huge hurry to return for several reasons, not least of all the attitude regarding firearms.
Yeah, more like can't afford it, therefor making it a sour grapes issue.

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Funny how cities with the strictest gun laws still have more than their fair share of gun related crimes.....
You know, that "Gun Control Challenge" thread that Dox started 2 years ago is still open and waiting for one of your kind to tackle it.


crimes in general rarely happen because of the inherent evil nature of people. In those cities with high gun crime rates it would be interesting reading to see how it correlates against other factors like poverty, access to education, access to employment, so on and so fourth.

Hmm..... couldn't counter the strict gun laws vs. gun crime point so you moved the goal posts.


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12 Oct 2014, 8:20 pm

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Ah, good old internet stories. And so what if is postol is exposed? Personally, unless I'm out in the boonies, I prefer concealed carry but that's just me. I do and always will support open carry for those who prefer that. So please explain to the rest of the class how open (or concealed) carry is such a menace to society. BTW, "I feel" or "I saw it on the internet" aren't explanations.

If this is sort of story serves as a reliable microcosm, then i reserve my point.
http://news.sky.com/story/1344107/resta ... n-carriers

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IYeah, more like can't afford it, therefor making it a sour grapes issue.

Uh, not at all. I have been to other countries in that time and have got more value out of my money as a result. America, of what i have seen of it, is vastly over rated. I can only go by what i have seen in the tourist trap but the people there weren't exactly the most hospitable or friendliest and the culture stinks of dog eat dog greed, everywhere someone is trying to sell something. This was in the 90s so god knows how bad it is now. The food as i recall, was nothing to write home about either.

It may also come to a shock to you, but America isn't the most expensive place to go to. The one good thing i will say about my time there is that i found the cost of petty purchases and gifts are notably lower than they tend to be here or in Europe.

As a general tourist, I find the prospect of going to somewhere like Sweden far more daunting for cost reasons.

My kids keep bugging me to go to Disney World, but i have discovered since there is one in Hong Kong. Luckilly i will be able to keep my kids happy and go somewhere with decent food and a sense of history longer than 200 years.



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Hmm..... couldn't counter the strict gun laws vs. gun crime point so you moved the goal posts.

I have moved nothing. I have always maintained a correlation between crime and poverty.


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12 Oct 2014, 8:47 pm

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Ah, good old internet stories. And so what if is postol is exposed? Personally, unless I'm out in the boonies, I prefer concealed carry but that's just me. I do and always will support open carry for those who prefer that. So please explain to the rest of the class how open (or concealed) carry is such a menace to society. BTW, "I feel" or "I saw it on the internet" aren't explanations.

If this is sort of story serves as a reliable microcosm, then i reserve my point.
http://news.sky.com/story/1344107/resta ... n-carriers


So what? There was a pizza shop in Virginia Beach last year that offered a 15% discount to any armed customer. It boosted business and even with all those guns present no one got shot. Imagine that! 8O

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IYeah, more like can't afford it, therefor making it a sour grapes issue.

Uh, not at all. I have been to other countries in that time and have got more value out of my money as a result. America, of what i have seen of it, is vastly over rated. I can only go by what i have seen in the tourist trap but the people there weren't exactly the most hospitable or friendliest and the culture stinks of dog eat dog greed, everywhere someone is trying to sell something. This was in the 90s so god knows how bad it is now. The food as i recall, was nothing to write home about either.

It may also come to a shock to you, but America isn't the most expensive place to go to. The one good thing i will say about my time there is that i found the cost of petty purchases and gifts are notably lower than they tend to be here or in Europe.

As a general tourist, I find the prospect of going to somewhere like Sweden far more daunting for cost reasons.

My kids keep bugging me to go to Disney World, but i have discovered since there is one in Hong Kong. Luckilly i will be able to keep my kids happy and go somewhere with decent food and a sense of history longer than 200 years.

You haven't seen enough of America, then.



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Hmm..... couldn't counter the strict gun laws vs. gun crime point so you moved the goal posts.

I have moved nothing. I have always maintained a correlation between crime and poverty.

You sure jumped off of one cause and on to another in a hurry.....


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13 Oct 2014, 9:25 am

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The arrogant America without which you'd be communicating in German right now

Not recessarilly. The Soviet Union did more to thwart Hitlers progression, and in any case, Hitler had given up plans of operation sea lion after the battle of britain (before America's intervention).
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and a man on the moon would be only a dream.

Again, not necessarilly. America were only able to reach the moon because of German technology and brains. The reason they had to frogmarch German scientists back at the end of thompson gun is because they were too dumb to do it on their own.

If it hadn't been for America, the flag there right now might be a nicer shade of red and gold, which to me isn't necessarilly a bad thing.
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But somehow you'd try to blame the U.S.? You sound like a mouthpiece for Russian or Chinese interests. I wonder what country provides more medical aid to the rest of the world when needed?


Maybe. All i know is that America's interests certainly don't coincide with mine.

As for medical aid, which country hosts most of the financial institutions that spearlead the penury of third world nations in the first place? Which country distributes most weapons, most corrupt and malignant corporations and the most loose ethics? Which country represents the most obscenely unfair difference between wealthiest and poorest?

I'm not arguing that the medical aid isn't positive, I'm arguing that the sum of American contribution is negative.


It's odd but many receiving military aid don't agree with you; not that I think it's a good idea mind you. Attitude depends on whose ox is being gored.

Difference between rich and poor? It's large but no one dies from lack of food here as happens in some areas where food distribution and aid are controlled by a dictatorial government. The largest spread between rich and poor I think would be Saudi Arabia. The worst large country with malignant business practices is easy: China.