18 Oct 2014, 11:51 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It certainly does disenfranchise people in low income areas when local licensing offices are closed, making people travel miles for said ID - making it harder if they don't have their own cars, and the office isn't open every day.
I sincerely wonder if the local licensing offices were close due to vandalism or burglary ; both very common occurrences in said low income areas. I can't blame them for closing offices that are being vandalised more than what could be considered normal.
Blaming it on poor people, now? From what I understand, no.
Wut?
Oh, so you're saying that low income areas aren't fraught with vandalism and burglary to name few crimes?
On what planet do you live?
BTW: You're missing a good pissing contest in the current events forum (it should have been started here). It's about the republican governor of S. Carolina sucking up to CEO's and marginalising minorities over the confederate flag. Make sure you start from the very beginning.
I'm saying vandalism was not the reason why any licensing offices were shut down - rather, the lame excuse of budget cuts was used. As those budget cuts were only in poor areas, I have to think something smells like bullsh*t.
So you're saying that the "lower income" areas are not vandalism heavy and the voter registration offices and/or voting polls were shut down just out of the spite that all of us conservatives carry in our evil and hard little hearts?
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18 Oct 2014, 3:05 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It certainly does disenfranchise people in low income areas when local licensing offices are closed, making people travel miles for said ID - making it harder if they don't have their own cars, and the office isn't open every day.
I sincerely wonder if the local licensing offices were close due to vandalism or burglary ; both very common occurrences in said low income areas. I can't blame them for closing offices that are being vandalised more than what could be considered normal.
Blaming it on poor people, now? From what I understand, no.
Wut?
Oh, so you're saying that low income areas aren't fraught with vandalism and burglary to name few crimes?
On what planet do you live?
BTW: You're missing a good pissing contest in the current events forum (it should have been started here). It's about the republican governor of S. Carolina sucking up to CEO's and marginalising minorities over the confederate flag. Make sure you start from the very beginning.
I'm saying vandalism was not the reason why any licensing offices were shut down - rather, the lame excuse of budget cuts was used. As those budget cuts were only in poor areas, I have to think something smells like bullsh*t.
So you're saying that the "lower income" areas are not vandalism heavy and the voter registration offices and/or voting polls were shut down just out of the spite that all of us conservatives carry in our evil and hard little hearts?
Again, there were no reports of vandalism. The offices were shut down specifically to keep ID's out of enough people's hands in order to sway the next election in favor of conservative candidates.
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18 Oct 2014, 3:11 pm
19 Oct 2014, 11:05 am
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How, by supporting LGBT rights, which is the new civil rights struggle,
It's not everyone's forte so not everyone has a dog in that fight. Besides, it doesnt even matter what the left or right want because what's coming can't be stopped.
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or by voting for candidates that oppose organized labor,
If it was up to the left even fast food establishments would be union. Of course then they'd be the first to b***h about the high prices as a result.
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raising the minimum wage,
A very temporary fix to a bigger problem.
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or oppose outsourcing?
Are you aware of how many foreign owned companies are outsourcing to the US?
For the sake of brevity I'll give you just a few examples: Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Rolls Royce, Honda, Thyssen Krupp, Siemens, BASF, Daimler, etc....
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/05/15/foreign-manufacturers-bringing-jobs-to-us/2070327/
We outsource, they outsource, and in this global economy it could easily be considered progress (hmm....who have I heard use that term recently?
) but since it's not part of the liberal narrative I guess it's not real progress, eh..... Quote:
They can believe that all they want, but that only proves they probably act out of strict ideology, or are ignorant and fearful, or are possibly even insane.
Ah, there it is; we're ignorant, fearful, and insane.
You just answered my question about whether or not you believe in a two party system.
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19 Oct 2014, 4:37 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
How, by supporting LGBT rights, which is the new civil rights struggle,
It's not everyone's forte so not everyone has a dog in that fight. Besides, it doesnt even matter what the left or right want because what's coming can't be stopped.
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or by voting for candidates that oppose organized labor,
If it was up to the left even fast food establishments would be union. Of course then they'd be the first to b***h about the high prices as a result.
Quote:
raising the minimum wage,
A very temporary fix to a bigger problem.
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or oppose outsourcing?
Are you aware of how many foreign owned companies are outsourcing to the US?
For the sake of brevity I'll give you just a few examples: Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Rolls Royce, Honda, Thyssen Krupp, Siemens, BASF, Daimler, etc....
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/05/15/foreign-manufacturers-bringing-jobs-to-us/2070327/
We outsource, they outsource, and in this global economy it could easily be considered progress (hmm....who have I heard use that term recently?
) but since it's not part of the liberal narrative I guess it's not real progress, eh..... Quote:
They can believe that all they want, but that only proves they probably act out of strict ideology, or are ignorant and fearful, or are possibly even insane.
Ah, there it is; we're ignorant, fearful, and insane.
You just answered my question about whether or not you believe in a two party system.
The rights of our fellow citizens should be reason for everyone to have a dog in the fight.
As for unionizing fast food - as plenty of people depend on such employment probably as permanent income rather than just as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, it's only right that the workers get a living wage.
Sure, there is outsourcing from other countries, but how many of those companies leave not only individual workers but also whole communities economically devastated because said companies hadn't just started new factories, but had relocated said workplaces at the expense of workers? Big business in Germany and Japan in fact show more caring for their workers than the bastards CEO's over here.
And yes, I believe in the two party system, even if I'm not always charitable to the opposition. Are conservatives the only ones who have the right to be critical of their political opponents?
19 Oct 2014, 6:20 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
The rights of our fellow citizens should be reason for everyone to have a dog in the fight.
Except, of course, for the rights you think are passé.
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As for unionizing fast food - as plenty of people depend on such employment probably as permanent income rather than just as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, it's only right that the workers get a living wage.
What's a living wage?
What's living?
What about when that "living wage" drives prices up to where stores are closed down and people end up unemployed? So much for the living wage then.
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Sure, there is outsourcing from other countries, but how many of those companies leave not only individual workers but also whole communities economically devastated because said companies hadn't just started new factories, but had relocated said workplaces at the expense of workers? Big business in Germany and Japan in fact show more caring for their workers than the bastards CEO's over here.
Some of our work goes over there, some of their work comes over here. Money IS the bottom line in business because that's why they are in business. If you people could just wrap your collective little minds around that......
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And yes, I believe in the two party system, even if I'm not always charitable to the opposition. Are conservatives the only ones who have the right to be critical of their political opponents?
It doesn't show...........
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19 Oct 2014, 7:46 pm
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Kraichgauer wrote:
The rights of our fellow citizens should be reason for everyone to have a dog in the fight.
Except, of course, for the rights you think are passé.
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As for unionizing fast food - as plenty of people depend on such employment probably as permanent income rather than just as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, it's only right that the workers get a living wage.
What's a living wage?
What's living?
What about when that "living wage" drives prices up to where stores are closed down and people end up unemployed? So much for the living wage then.
Quote:
Sure, there is outsourcing from other countries, but how many of those companies leave not only individual workers but also whole communities economically devastated because said companies hadn't just started new factories, but had relocated said workplaces at the expense of workers? Big business in Germany and Japan in fact show more caring for their workers than the bastards CEO's over here.
Some of our work goes over there, some of their work comes over here. Money IS the bottom line in business because that's why they are in business. If you people could just wrap your collective little minds around that......
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And yes, I believe in the two party system, even if I'm not always charitable to the opposition. Are conservatives the only ones who have the right to be critical of their political opponents?
It doesn't show...........What rights do I think are passe'?
And raising wages would give people more money in their pockets, thus more buying power, putting said money back into the economy, which grows. Provide medical benefits, and workers have more dispensable income available to spend, making the economy grow even more. Instead of being detrimental, those wage increases should be seen as investments into the economy. I thought you conservatives were constantly telling us that capitalism would make us all happy and wealthy, but so far your plans for the captains of industry reaping the benefits while keeping wages low for the sake of low prices only keeps the economy stagnant for most of us. That's why most of us no longer have any faith in the free market system anymore.
19 Oct 2014, 8:38 pm
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19 Oct 2014, 10:03 pm
19 Oct 2014, 10:45 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
How do you know my ideas are just canned party ideology?
Oh, please!
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Why can't I be in agreement with those ideas?
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
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Or do you think thinking for yourself only creates conservative beliefs?
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
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As for businesses moving out on the pretext of losing money because of unions, and companies existing only for making money - That is a philosophy that has left American wages stagnant, and has caused the drop in the standard of living. Real giants of capitalism, like Henry Ford, understood that paying high wages was an investment in the economy, which allowed workers to spend their disposable income, thereby fueling the economy.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
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Today's corporate bosses can't see beyond their immediate greed, and thus they are dragging the country down while they live in luxury. Even the idea behind Bush's tax cuts allegedly had been about businesses reinvesting in order to grow the economy, but Bush was too naive to understand that would never happen without a means of enforcing that plan.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
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19 Oct 2014, 11:19 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
How do you know my ideas are just canned party ideology?
Oh, please!
Quote:
Why can't I be in agreement with those ideas?
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
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Or do you think thinking for yourself only creates conservative beliefs?
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
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As for businesses moving out on the pretext of losing money because of unions, and companies existing only for making money - That is a philosophy that has left American wages stagnant, and has caused the drop in the standard of living. Real giants of capitalism, like Henry Ford, understood that paying high wages was an investment in the economy, which allowed workers to spend their disposable income, thereby fueling the economy.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
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Today's corporate bosses can't see beyond their immediate greed, and thus they are dragging the country down while they live in luxury. Even the idea behind Bush's tax cuts allegedly had been about businesses reinvesting in order to grow the economy, but Bush was too naive to understand that would never happen without a means of enforcing that plan.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
But Henry Ford helped build America, which meant he also helped bring prosperity to the working class. Yes, I agree about corporate America being only interested in making money and damn all else. But that hardly means it's right, or that we should just roll over and accept it.
And despite what you might have allowed yourself to think, my ideas are mine, and if they aren't all original I at least legitimately believe in them.
And back to the hunter/gatherers - I suspect they were the prehistoric flower children of their day, running and dancing happily in the fields. It was the Neolithic farmers who brought in conservative xenophobia and class distinction.
20 Oct 2014, 10:32 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
How do you know my ideas are just canned party ideology?
Oh, please!
Quote:
Why can't I be in agreement with those ideas?
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
Quote:
Or do you think thinking for yourself only creates conservative beliefs?
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
Quote:
As for businesses moving out on the pretext of losing money because of unions, and companies existing only for making money - That is a philosophy that has left American wages stagnant, and has caused the drop in the standard of living. Real giants of capitalism, like Henry Ford, understood that paying high wages was an investment in the economy, which allowed workers to spend their disposable income, thereby fueling the economy.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
Quote:
Today's corporate bosses can't see beyond their immediate greed, and thus they are dragging the country down while they live in luxury. Even the idea behind Bush's tax cuts allegedly had been about businesses reinvesting in order to grow the economy, but Bush was too naive to understand that would never happen without a means of enforcing that plan.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
Kraichgauer wrote:
But Henry Ford helped build America, which meant he also helped bring prosperity to the working class.
Yes, I know who Henry Ford is and what his contributions were. However, we live in a different world now.
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Yes, I agree about corporate America being only interested in making money and damn all else. But that hardly means it's right, or that we should just roll over and accept it.
Duh, it's always been that way. It's just that now the market has FORCED companies to become more competitive.
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And despite what you might have allowed yourself to think, my ideas are mine, and if they aren't all original I at least legitimately believe in them.
You're ideas are too hollow and/or excessively one sided to be anything other than canned party rhetoric. I'm not the only one that notices this.
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And back to the hunter/gatherers - I suspect they were the prehistoric flower children of their day, running and dancing happily in the fields. It was the Neolithic farmers who brought in conservative xenophobia and class distinction.
Doing nothing but running and dancing happily in the fields doesnt bring home the bacon. The only reason that kind flourishes today it becayse civilisation and it's laws have found a way to legally steal from the hunter/gatherer class to feed and house the loafers.
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20 Oct 2014, 12:55 pm
Raptor wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
How do you know my ideas are just canned party ideology?
Oh, please!
Quote:
Why can't I be in agreement with those ideas?
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
Quote:
Or do you think thinking for yourself only creates conservative beliefs?
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
Quote:
As for businesses moving out on the pretext of losing money because of unions, and companies existing only for making money - That is a philosophy that has left American wages stagnant, and has caused the drop in the standard of living. Real giants of capitalism, like Henry Ford, understood that paying high wages was an investment in the economy, which allowed workers to spend their disposable income, thereby fueling the economy.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
Quote:
Today's corporate bosses can't see beyond their immediate greed, and thus they are dragging the country down while they live in luxury. Even the idea behind Bush's tax cuts allegedly had been about businesses reinvesting in order to grow the economy, but Bush was too naive to understand that would never happen without a means of enforcing that plan.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
Kraichgauer wrote:
But Henry Ford helped build America, which meant he also helped bring prosperity to the working class.
Yes, I know who Henry Ford is and what his contributions were. However, we live in a different world now.
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Yes, I agree about corporate America being only interested in making money and damn all else. But that hardly means it's right, or that we should just roll over and accept it.
Duh, it's always been that way. It's just that now the market has FORCED companies to become more competitive.
Quote:
And despite what you might have allowed yourself to think, my ideas are mine, and if they aren't all original I at least legitimately believe in them.
You're ideas are too hollow and/or excessively one sided to be anything other than canned party rhetoric. I'm not the only one that notices this.
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And back to the hunter/gatherers - I suspect they were the prehistoric flower children of their day, running and dancing happily in the fields. It was the Neolithic farmers who brought in conservative xenophobia and class distinction.
Doing nothing but running and dancing happily in the fields doesnt bring home the bacon. The only reason that kind flourishes today it becayse civilisation and it's laws have found a way to legally steal from the hunter/gatherer class to feed and house the loafers.
Call my ideas hollow and party rhetoric if you like, but they are what I believe in, and I'll stick to them.
And as I recall, not many posts ago, you were comparing conservatives to hunter/gatherers, now you are the Neolithic farmers. I had no idea I could sway your prejudices as such.
20 Oct 2014, 1:53 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Call my ideas hollow and party rhetoric if you like, but they are what I believe in, and I'll stick to them.
They are what they are...
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And as I recall, not many posts ago, you were comparing conservatives to hunter/gatherers, now you are the Neolithic farmers. I had no idea I could sway your prejudices as such.
You're the one that brought in neolithic farmers. I haven't said a word about them. Either hunter/gatherers or farmers are more useful than shiftless peaceniks
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