GAO: Voter ID laws suppress voting, not fraud
I sincerely wonder if the local licensing offices were close due to vandalism or burglary ; both very common occurrences in said low income areas. I can't blame them for closing offices that are being vandalised more than what could be considered normal.
Blaming it on poor people, now? From what I understand, no.
Wut?
Oh, so you're saying that low income areas aren't fraught with vandalism and burglary to name few crimes?
On what planet do you live?
BTW: You're missing a good pissing contest in the current events forum (it should have been started here). It's about the republican governor of S. Carolina sucking up to CEO's and marginalising minorities over the confederate flag. Make sure you start from the very beginning.
I'm saying vandalism was not the reason why any licensing offices were shut down - rather, the lame excuse of budget cuts was used. As those budget cuts were only in poor areas, I have to think something smells like bullsh*t.
So you're saying that the "lower income" areas are not vandalism heavy and the voter registration offices and/or voting polls were shut down just out of the spite that all of us conservatives carry in our evil and hard little hearts?
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I sincerely wonder if the local licensing offices were close due to vandalism or burglary ; both very common occurrences in said low income areas. I can't blame them for closing offices that are being vandalised more than what could be considered normal.
Blaming it on poor people, now? From what I understand, no.
Wut?
Oh, so you're saying that low income areas aren't fraught with vandalism and burglary to name few crimes?
On what planet do you live?
BTW: You're missing a good pissing contest in the current events forum (it should have been started here). It's about the republican governor of S. Carolina sucking up to CEO's and marginalising minorities over the confederate flag. Make sure you start from the very beginning.
I'm saying vandalism was not the reason why any licensing offices were shut down - rather, the lame excuse of budget cuts was used. As those budget cuts were only in poor areas, I have to think something smells like bullsh*t.
So you're saying that the "lower income" areas are not vandalism heavy and the voter registration offices and/or voting polls were shut down just out of the spite that all of us conservatives carry in our evil and hard little hearts?
Again, there were no reports of vandalism. The offices were shut down specifically to keep ID's out of enough people's hands in order to sway the next election in favor of conservative candidates.
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You're still assuming that you know best and that everyone who thinks otherwise must be brainwashed or acting on some kind of religious nuttery, as opposed to having legitimately come to their beliefs. Take me, I support a lot of things that you'd think would be against my interests, but I've come to a different conclusion based on evidence and logic; do you really think you know my interests better than I do? Or, to put a finer point on it, do you think you're smarter and better informed than I am, and have a better grasp of what is and is not in my best interest?
If we're talking about people who are swayed to vote against their own economic and social interests when the "evils" of gay marriage and other distractions are jangled in front of them, then yes, I have to question their intelligence, and their priorities. If that makes me an arrogant assh*le who questions what they think is best for them in your eyes, then there's nothing I can do to dissuade you.
And the right thinks the left is voting against their own economic and social interests.
That's why there is a right and a left.
Do you even believe in a two party system?
How, by supporting LGBT rights, which is the new civil rights struggle, or by voting for candidates that oppose organized labor, raising the minimum wage, or oppose outsourcing? They can believe that all they want, but that only proves they probably act out of strict ideology, or are ignorant and fearful, or are possibly even insane.
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It's not everyone's forte so not everyone has a dog in that fight. Besides, it doesnt even matter what the left or right want because what's coming can't be stopped.
If it was up to the left even fast food establishments would be union. Of course then they'd be the first to b***h about the high prices as a result.
A very temporary fix to a bigger problem.
Are you aware of how many foreign owned companies are outsourcing to the US?
For the sake of brevity I'll give you just a few examples: Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Rolls Royce, Honda, Thyssen Krupp, Siemens, BASF, Daimler, etc....
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/05/15/foreign-manufacturers-bringing-jobs-to-us/2070327/
We outsource, they outsource, and in this global economy it could easily be considered progress (hmm....who have I heard use that term recently? ) but since it's not part of the liberal narrative I guess it's not real progress, eh.....
Ah, there it is; we're ignorant, fearful, and insane.
You just answered my question about whether or not you believe in a two party system.
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It's not everyone's forte so not everyone has a dog in that fight. Besides, it doesnt even matter what the left or right want because what's coming can't be stopped.
If it was up to the left even fast food establishments would be union. Of course then they'd be the first to b***h about the high prices as a result.
A very temporary fix to a bigger problem.
Are you aware of how many foreign owned companies are outsourcing to the US?
For the sake of brevity I'll give you just a few examples: Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Rolls Royce, Honda, Thyssen Krupp, Siemens, BASF, Daimler, etc....
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/05/15/foreign-manufacturers-bringing-jobs-to-us/2070327/
We outsource, they outsource, and in this global economy it could easily be considered progress (hmm....who have I heard use that term recently? ) but since it's not part of the liberal narrative I guess it's not real progress, eh.....
Ah, there it is; we're ignorant, fearful, and insane.
You just answered my question about whether or not you believe in a two party system.
The rights of our fellow citizens should be reason for everyone to have a dog in the fight.
As for unionizing fast food - as plenty of people depend on such employment probably as permanent income rather than just as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, it's only right that the workers get a living wage.
Sure, there is outsourcing from other countries, but how many of those companies leave not only individual workers but also whole communities economically devastated because said companies hadn't just started new factories, but had relocated said workplaces at the expense of workers? Big business in Germany and Japan in fact show more caring for their workers than the bastards CEO's over here.
And yes, I believe in the two party system, even if I'm not always charitable to the opposition. Are conservatives the only ones who have the right to be critical of their political opponents?
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Except, of course, for the rights you think are passé.
What's a living wage?
What's living?
What about when that "living wage" drives prices up to where stores are closed down and people end up unemployed? So much for the living wage then.
Some of our work goes over there, some of their work comes over here. Money IS the bottom line in business because that's why they are in business. If you people could just wrap your collective little minds around that......
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Except, of course, for the rights you think are passé.
What's a living wage?
What's living?
What about when that "living wage" drives prices up to where stores are closed down and people end up unemployed? So much for the living wage then.
Some of our work goes over there, some of their work comes over here. Money IS the bottom line in business because that's why they are in business. If you people could just wrap your collective little minds around that......
What rights do I think are passe'?
And raising wages would give people more money in their pockets, thus more buying power, putting said money back into the economy, which grows. Provide medical benefits, and workers have more dispensable income available to spend, making the economy grow even more. Instead of being detrimental, those wage increases should be seen as investments into the economy. I thought you conservatives were constantly telling us that capitalism would make us all happy and wealthy, but so far your plans for the captains of industry reaping the benefits while keeping wages low for the sake of low prices only keeps the economy stagnant for most of us. That's why most of us no longer have any faith in the free market system anymore.
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Namely, the one I'm reluctant to name since that would spiral into the usual abyss. Aside from that, you all seem to have an issue with freedom of speech and expression for anything you decree as "hate" or "hate speech" to the point of wanting to suppress it or see people punished for it.
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If Burger King goes union and Wendy's doesnt, guess who will get more business.
We conservatives, evil and heartless as we are, are pragmatists whereas you liberals believe in some kind of worker's utopia that never was and never can be.
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Namely, the one I'm reluctant to name since that would spiral into the usual abyss. Aside from that, you all seem to have an issue with freedom of speech and expression for anything you decree as "hate" or "hate speech" to the point of wanting to suppress it or see people punished for it.
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If Burger King goes union and Wendy's doesnt, guess who will get more business.
We conservatives, evil and heartless as we are, are pragmatists whereas you liberals believe in some kind of worker's utopia that never was and never can be.
I have never wanted to suppress anyone's ideas, I just insist on the right to counter them with my own ideas.
As far as McDonald's going union, but Wendy's doesn't - you make two moves ahead to unionize both, and any others before the corporate bosses can respond.
And regarding a worker's paradise - as a matter of fact, from the end of WWII and before the nightmare of trickle down economics, America might as well have been a worker's paradise. A working guy like my dad was able to buy a house with the wages he made, my mom was able to stay at home to raise me, and we enjoyed a happy, middle class existence. If that wasn't a worker's paradise, I have no idea what is.
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Which in the cases I'm thinking about made no sense and only followed the party line to the letter. You countered with the party's canned ideas, not yours.
And when the corporate bosses just close them down until the union thingy blows over, then what?
Then the rest of the world recovered from WW2 (it took decades) things got interesting (i.e. competitive) and a lot of that fluff had to be cut out in order to stay in business.
Again, businesses are in business to make money, not to make a happy home for you. Whatever you get out of it is a byproduct of a bigger goal being fulfilled. It aint gonna change.
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Which in the cases I'm thinking about made no sense and only followed the party line to the letter. You countered with the party's canned ideas, not yours.
And when the corporate bosses just close them down until the union thingy blows over, then what?
Then the rest of the world recovered from WW2 (it took decades) things got interesting (i.e. competitive) and a lot of that fluff had to be cut out in order to stay in business.
Again, businesses are in business to make money, not to make a happy home for you. Whatever you get out of it is a byproduct of a bigger goal being fulfilled. It aint gonna change.
How do you know my ideas are just canned party ideology? Why can't I be in agreement with those ideas? Or do you think thinking for yourself only creates conservative beliefs?
As for businesses moving out on the pretext of losing money because of unions, and companies existing only for making money - That is a philosophy that has left American wages stagnant, and has caused the drop in the standard of living. Real giants of capitalism, like Henry Ford, understood that paying high wages was an investment in the economy, which allowed workers to spend their disposable income, thereby fueling the economy. Today's corporate bosses can't see beyond their immediate greed, and thus they are dragging the country down while they live in luxury. Even the idea behind Bush's tax cuts allegedly had been about businesses reinvesting in order to grow the economy, but Bush was too naive to understand that would never happen without a means of enforcing that plan.
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Oh, please!
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
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Oh, please!
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
But Henry Ford helped build America, which meant he also helped bring prosperity to the working class. Yes, I agree about corporate America being only interested in making money and damn all else. But that hardly means it's right, or that we should just roll over and accept it.
And despite what you might have allowed yourself to think, my ideas are mine, and if they aren't all original I at least legitimately believe in them.
And back to the hunter/gatherers - I suspect they were the prehistoric flower children of their day, running and dancing happily in the fields. It was the Neolithic farmers who brought in conservative xenophobia and class distinction.
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Oh, please!
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
Yes, I know who Henry Ford is and what his contributions were. However, we live in a different world now.
Duh, it's always been that way. It's just that now the market has FORCED companies to become more competitive.
You're ideas are too hollow and/or excessively one sided to be anything other than canned party rhetoric. I'm not the only one that notices this.
Doing nothing but running and dancing happily in the fields doesnt bring home the bacon. The only reason that kind flourishes today it becayse civilisation and it's laws have found a way to legally steal from the hunter/gatherer class to feed and house the loafers.
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Oh, please!
You can but they should have some kind of factual basis, not kooky panties-in-knots emotion.
No, many conservatives as well do not think for themselves. The glassy eyed Limbaugh and Beck followers come to mind, one of which I am not.
1. Henry Ford is dead. Just thought you ought to know.....
2. Just about everyone I know works and makes a decent living. According to you we're all getting f****d. I see a disparity here and it is you.
1. Today's corporate bosses react to investors who will buy and sell stock on a whim.
2. Today's corporate bosses have to compete in a much broader and more competitive market in order to keep their company afloat.
Yes, I know who Henry Ford is and what his contributions were. However, we live in a different world now.
Duh, it's always been that way. It's just that now the market has FORCED companies to become more competitive.
You're ideas are too hollow and/or excessively one sided to be anything other than canned party rhetoric. I'm not the only one that notices this.
Doing nothing but running and dancing happily in the fields doesnt bring home the bacon. The only reason that kind flourishes today it becayse civilisation and it's laws have found a way to legally steal from the hunter/gatherer class to feed and house the loafers.
Call my ideas hollow and party rhetoric if you like, but they are what I believe in, and I'll stick to them.
And as I recall, not many posts ago, you were comparing conservatives to hunter/gatherers, now you are the Neolithic farmers. I had no idea I could sway your prejudices as such.
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They are what they are...
You're the one that brought in neolithic farmers. I haven't said a word about them. Either hunter/gatherers or farmers are more useful than shiftless peaceniks
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