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12 Oct 2014, 1:16 pm

How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb:
12.
One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole "screwing" bit to be too "rape-like",
one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men,
one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.


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12 Oct 2014, 4:18 pm

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13 Oct 2014, 3:22 am

^^^ Neckbearding intensifies!


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13 Oct 2014, 3:36 am

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13 Oct 2014, 9:21 am

I would like to see less sexualisation of women in the media. But as Dillogic pointed out, this is not something that can be legislated. It is, however, possible for a culture to change - in fact, culture is constantly changing. For example women no longer wear corsets which are unhealthy, but no one legislated this.
But this whole twerking thing is a step backwards. I don't know why some young girls feel that embracing their sexuality means they have to strip down to their underwear and simulate sexual acts. I may be wrong, but I don't thing this is particularly empowering.



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13 Oct 2014, 5:17 pm

Dillogic wrote:
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The thing that just gets me is supposed feminists wanting people to change how they behave in matters that don't have anything to do with equality in the justice/social system and democratic process.

Anything else is in the domain of private affairs.

That's just silly. We shouldn't publicly criticize citizen behavior unless it's illegal (or we're trying to make it so)? Really? The majority of people in this country would still smoke if that were the case.


That's what you can call my subjective view on it. Criticize all you want. Try and change people all you want. Just remember that there's some you will never change. You aren't going to get them to change no matter what though, unless you want to throw out freedom of speech -- which means you can easily be nullified.
Of course not everyone will change. If, however, someone is being a sexist as*hole, it's just as much a feminist's free speech to point that out as it was the as*hole's free speech to say it in the first place. It's not because of some 'limitation on free speech' that most people are now unwilling to use the N-word in company, it's because people realized that only racist pricks used the n-word.



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13 Oct 2014, 10:31 pm

androbot01 wrote:
I would like to see less sexualisation of women in the media. But as Dillogic pointed out, this is not something that can be legislated. It is, however, possible for a culture to change - in fact, culture is constantly changing. For example women no longer wear corsets which are unhealthy, but no one legislated this.
But this whole twerking thing is a step backwards. I don't know why some young girls feel that embracing their sexuality means they have to strip down to their underwear and simulate sexual acts. I may be wrong, but I don't thing this is particularly empowering.


Because it's a way to entertain yourself?



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14 Oct 2014, 1:54 am

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I would like to see less sexualisation of women in the media. But as Dillogic pointed out, this is not something that can be legislated. It is, however, possible for a culture to change - in fact, culture is constantly changing. For example women no longer wear corsets which are unhealthy, but no one legislated this.
But this whole twerking thing is a step backwards. I don't know why some young girls feel that embracing their sexuality means they have to strip down to their underwear and simulate sexual acts. I may be wrong, but I don't thing this is particularly empowering.


Because it's a way to entertain yourself?
Well the thing is which I have learned that not all feminists are the same and argue with eachother there are sex possitive feminists which encourage open sexuality and porn and even legalized prostitution and such and there are those completely opposite like the rad fems! Slut shaming is a big no no for the feminist movement but I see it time and time again when it comes to the non sex positive feminists!


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14 Oct 2014, 2:21 am

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14 Oct 2014, 2:14 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb:
12.
One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole "screwing" bit to be too "rape-like",
one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men,
one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.


^So did you copy/paste this directly from 4chan?


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15 Oct 2014, 11:10 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb:
12.
One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole "screwing" bit to be too "rape-like",
one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men,
one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.


^So did you copy/paste this directly from 4chan?
Not this time just some random anti feminist joke site.


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15 Oct 2014, 11:16 pm

Something i noticed this week. I have two young daughters. They both like playing computer games. Even the 'aggressive' ones that you would normally assume are marketed towards boys.

I let them play one of my fighting games, and they ended up arguing over who could play as the 'girl character'. There was a plethora of male characters they could have chosen from however. I think it takes you to have little girls of your own before you understand the lack of female role models in the media.


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16 Oct 2014, 12:09 am

thomas81 wrote:
Something i noticed this week. I have two young daughters. They both like playing computer games. Even the 'aggressive' ones that you would normally assume are marketed towards boys.

I let them play one of my fighting games, and they ended up arguing over who could play as the 'girl character'. There was a plethora of male characters they could have chosen from however. I think it takes you to have little girls of your own before you understand the lack of female role models in the media.
I dont have kids let alone daughters and if I did they would probably end up as tom boys!


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16 Oct 2014, 3:46 am

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I think the concept of the "patriarchy" is problematic. I generally don't like catchall concepts, it doesn't reflect the complex world we live in. If you want to alienate people create a dividing line.

I think victimhood in general is bad, even for actual victims. It can become a perpetual cycle. Those that want to be free will refuse to be a victim, even when oppressed.

Agreed. The patriarchy theory assumes that men are ultimately in control of pretty much everything, everywhere. This is only true to a certain extent, and what remains is true because men have a natural tendency to seek out power and authority. This isn't a good thing or a bad thing; it just is. If you want to talk about good and bad, look at individuals. Furthermore, where I grew up the reality was almost the opposite of patriarchy. At home, my mother was in charge and treated my father quite badly at times. At school, 90% of the teachers and the principal were women. I had more friends among the girls than the boys. I enjoy mostly writing about female characters, and playing as them in video games. True, the distant insitutions we believed in were led by men, but their direct application--the examples that actually shaped my life--was mostly by women.

This did not make a positive difference from other peoples' stories, or a negative one. Growing up with women in charge did not make my life objectively better or worse. I remember this every time someone claims that there would be no oppression or violence if women had equal opportunities or "if mothers ran the world." People who say this do not seem to recognize the full importance of human nature, and how it ultimately dwarfs any physical and mental differences between the sexes. For a real understanding of people and the world, I'll pass on Feminism and take Humanism for 1,000, Alex.

Some women and girls helped me; some hurt me very badly. If there's a key difference between the sexes here, it's not that I never considered myself a victim of those who hurt me; sometimes I did. The difference was that I never claimed victimhood. And the reason is that in my experience, people--women and other men--are generally less likely to believe that a male was the victim of something. Even more so if that something is gender discrimination or harassment. I doubted the possibility of sympathy or help, and when I was hurt I did not speak up. What women may not realize is that there are some fields and cirumstances in which men simply are not listened to or even respected. We may complain about it less, or complain in a way that sounds like an attack, but it's because we are encouraged to put up a strong front, and feel ashamed when we don't act like the people we are "supposed" to be.

This is even more confusing now, when there are so many mixed messages about what a man is supposed to be like anyway. I am very much in limbo regarding my gender identity. I am supposed to be loud and authoritative and make all the decisions; wait, no I'm not, because that behavior will marginalize others. I am supposed to let women make more of the decisions; wait, no I'm not, because it means I'm lazy, insensitive, or "whipped". I am supposed to take control of a situation and help women when they appear to need it; wait, no I'm not, I should just listen and not offer any solutions at all lest I appear insensitive. Instead of being paralyzed by a single idea of what a man should be, as previous generations were, I am paralyzed by too many ideas. At least for my predecessors, there was a way forward. For me, there is no right direction to go in. I do not pursue female companionship, marriage, or children. I simply exist, struggling to comprehend the mass vitriol and indecision around me for which both sexes are at fault.


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16 Oct 2014, 3:06 pm

Why is it that I can tell the difference between a real victim and a fake victim better than most neurotypicals can? A real victim wouldn't smirk when she calls authorities.



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16 Oct 2014, 7:11 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0coPRBkbGJg[/youtube]



A bunch of sexually frustrated beta men making childish penis jokes. Nothing to see here.

The fact that this sort of stuff still goes on in public doesnt really do anything to assuage the claims of feminists that their grievances are still legitimate.


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