USA's strategy against ISIS is in tatters

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Arm the Kurds!
Also use American ground troops.
I voted for Obama twice but Hillary is right!
ISIS advocates sex slavery, genocide....and pretty much anything evil. It is our moral duty to keep killing them until they stop or are eliminated. Killing them is also pragmatic. If they get their caliphate, no more oil and the end of western civilization. No more (or at least minimal oil) oil means no food.
As for Russia, something can be worked out. The arab countries would rather donate some of their oil (to Russia ) than lose it all to a caliphate.

Oh yes...ISIS is taking over the world. There's nothing any of the most powerful countries on the earth can do can stop them.

What a farce. Those poor Kurds.

Actually, the Kurds are/were persecuted. Actually, if a Caliphate is created, ISIS will control our oil. I never said that ISIS will conquer the world. Please stop making stuff up. It makes you look silly.
There is something the world's most powerful countries can do. Arm the Kurds and use ground troops. Are you still following my argument?

" I never said that ISIS will conquer the world. Please stop making stuff up. It makes you look silly."

Thank you for your response, BUT I was speaking to the world's response, NOT your personal ideas or statements. Sorry if there was confusion.

What I hear and see are calls to send in U.S. troops. Not Irish troops or anyone else. GB finally climbed on board, somewhat. But European countries like to lag back and see the U.S. take the lead (developed back during WWII, I believe), which Obama has refused to do this time, and thereby forced Arab country participation.

If all European countries participated proportionately this farce would be over in days.

I hope this doesn't upset you.

Why end it prematurely? If they keep it going they can get rid of a lot of extremists, and not only islamists, but also the communist Kurdish terrorists. Arm all the crazy people and let 'em bash each others skulls in. Only intervene when someone is about to get the upper hand ... Erdogan just bombed the Kurds.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 76434.html

Explain why the Kurds should not be supported.
The Kurds are communists?
I think you should stick with welding croutons and making my salads better and avoid intellectual debate.

I'm referring to the PKK and its affiliates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_Party#Designation_as_a_terrorist_group

The US didn't declare war on Germany until 11th December 1941, three days after Britain declared war on Japan and over two years after Britain and France declared war on Germany.

Sunnis just want their Iraq back. No big deal.

What Strategy? The First Gulf War had one, after that it has been a mess.

As for war, Second Gulf War, we killed more people than ISIS ever thought of.

Once the Kurds were armed, had a flag, they stole northern Iraq.

Since 1984 the Kurds have killed 40,000 Turks. They are on everyones list of terrorists.

The US funded Saddam to overthrow Iran, then the Kurds to kill him when he failed, so he gassed the Kurds. The US funded the overthrow of Iraq, drove Saddams base into Syria, then funded the overthrow of Syria, including Saddams old base, who then over ran the other terrorists, small groups with no base, and became the leading anti Assad force, secured their foothold, then took their old homes in Iraq.

The Iraqi troops that survived said, our Officers left the day before ISIS showed up. There was no resistance. Saddams base took back their old homes, and fought the Kurds. They are the tribes that held these lands under the Turks, and you will notice, ISIS and the Turks do not fight. Both kill Kurds.

This show was funded by The Gulf States.

Assad does not fight ISIS. Iran does not fight ISIS, the USA is being lead to failure, to get them out.

Iran and Syria do not like America. No one likes America. No one likes the Kurds.

Anbar was a tough fight. Anbar II would be worse.

America is using million dollar bombs to blow up pickup trucks. The broken ones, parked out of town to look like a checkpoint.

A deal has been made, America is not part of it.

We overthrew Saddam, took control of the oilfields, set up a puppet government, and killed a lot of the rightful owners of the oil. They are now taking it back. The same thing happened in Iran.

Turkey has closed it's airspace, told the US to produce a no fly zone in Syria, which the Russians said would not happen. It is lets you and him fight.

Another player, China, has long supported a rail link between Tehran and Damascus, oil lines, but recently said, running the New Silk Road through Turkey. Turkey got a payoff.

American power is being shown to be weak. All these people needed was a common enemy.

Turkey and the Saudis are terrible allies who are in league with ISIS who are using to for their own ends

the US would be better off ending their special relationship with the two than commit to a ground war in Iraq and Syria. Turkey should not be in NATO.

A ground war would work, until all of the dead are replaced in a decade.

Fallujah got pasted.

When the kids grew up..., they became the fighters you see now.

They have to sort their own problems out. Sucks to be the minority, but that's how it goes with tribes and countries. If the Shia and Kurds can't own the country after it was given to them with all the help and funds they've also been given, then they aren't ready for it.

Hi Walrus

I believe I said: "(developed back during WWII, I believe)." I, as a U.S. citizen, referred to WWII as beginning when the United States declared war on Japan and Germany, not before, as your references indicate. Of course the war began in Europe well before this. Sorry if I caused any confusion.

But the point I was making, which you somehow must have missed, was that all of the European countries (with a couple of noted exceptions such as France in Africa recently) seem to like to "sit on their hands" when it comes to the "dirty work." It appears they feel they do better standing on the side lines and criticizing.

As far as I'm concerned all U.N. members need to take a proportionate active roll and all efforts should be by U.N. troops and if there are members that want to be obstructive (as usual) kick their phony butts out, and we'll do it without them..

I don't think this is accurate. The coalition that is now bombing ISIS includes the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Spain.

World War One, caused WWII, and breaking the Ottoman Empire caused the current problems.

Drawing lines on maps, declaring new countries, under Mandates, taking advantage of the weak.

Under the Turks there were many political subdivisions, tribal areas going way back in time.

A People, who have held an area for thousands of years, are not going to change.

This might work in Africa, forming new countries where three tribes are split from their natural tribal area, language, culture, but the Middle East speaks Arabic, shares a culture, and continued to function as tribes. They just waited a few generations for their chance to drive out the Great Powers.

The British Empire is now forty acres around Winsor Castle, France is half Islamic, half Communist, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, is about a dozen bankrupt countries. The Tikreti are still the Tikreti.

They never stopped fighting the invaders in Iraq, and when the invaders tried Syria, they joined in the fight, and took all the guns and bases of the terrorists.

For those who missed history, both Saddam and Assad are Bathists, when Saddams army had to flee, they went to Syria, and were given shelter and protection. Mostly they settled in the eastern desert, which is now IS headquarters. Once they had secured their rear, they swept through Iraq and took some serious weapons and money.

With that, they went back to Syria and took on the Kurds. This is the western end of the Kurds, they already fought the Kurds on the eastern end, and all across to the south. Along the north side, the Turks are bombing the Kurds.

Bagdad has been reduced to a city state. Its only natural ally being Iran. Much like the Soviets holding Berlin, they want to block any more trouble from there.

With both large cities gone, there is no place to base an occupation.

Israel has been making noise about their long support of the Kurds, and support for Kurdistan.

They are not popular with any of the other players, and the Kurds heads will be partitioned from their bodies.

The Gulf States thought they were funding the overthrow of Assad and Iran, They are now bombing the very people they armed and funded.

That will make ISIS even more popular with the Anti Saud factor in Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States. They are a bunch of little Kingdoms, who keep all the oil money for themselves, and chop off many times the heads ISIS does.

The Saudis know whos heads are next, and have built a fence through the worst desert, and stationed 40,000 troops along it. It is called The Empty Quarter, because it is.

ISIS is out religioning the Saudis. Same sect, stricter than a Wahabbi.

ISIS has been rejected by Al Kaida, for being terrorists.

You cannot bomb an idea.