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15 Oct 2014, 8:02 pm

Maybe i'll just say it here.

Often I have fun in PPR, but equally as often I don't, and It makes me stressed. This doesn't really matter in the scheme of things.

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15 Oct 2014, 8:05 pm

khaoz wrote:

Be careful the stormtroopers on the right with their pocketed mods dont silence and shut down genuine discourse. They feel threatened by the most mundane s**t, but the are loud, crude, vile and relentless in their denial of truth

In that thread you got to advertise your POV, AND precisely BECAUSE it was locked down you didnt have to defend yourself- because dissenters could no longer post on the thread (being freed of the task of defending yourself was exactly what you demanded). So you got exactly what you wanted:to have your cake and eat it too (to assert something without defending it).

So what exactly are you complaining about?

And what if it had not been locked?

No one had yet 'disagreed' with you, because no one yet understood what you were trying to say.

If the thread had continued you just would have first been forced to clarify what you were saying to 100 percent of the crowd. And once you achieved that then you would have had to defend yourself against the 50 percent who would disagree with you once everyone understood you. And thats exactly what you said you didnt want to participate in.

So what exactly would NOT locking the thread have accomplished?

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15 Oct 2014, 8:06 pm

Janissy wrote:

khaoz wrote:

Raptor wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Does anyone know what Khaoz is talking about?

As far as I can tell, http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt268125.html

Id almost be willing to bet this one gets locked, too.....

Locked for no reason, just like the last one. It would make you happy to shut up all the Progressives. Which moderator do you tithe?

I just looked at that locked thread. It got locked because you stated that you would not engage in any discourse (a.k.a. "arguing to prove a point"). Genuine discourse isn't being shut down. It's being required.

Well, then we need to lock every damn thread in the forum. Nobody ever comes to engage in honest discourse here.

Genuine discourse should at least hold the POSSIBILITY that someone might change position in the face of a reasonable argument.

Discourse here is about as pointless as feeding two-headed, Siamese-twin poodles conjoined at the anus... It goes round and round and round but never does s**t. :roll:

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15 Oct 2014, 8:33 pm

GoonSquad wrote:

Genuine discourse should at least hold the POSSIBILITY that someone might change position in the face of a reasonable argument.

What a lovely fantasy. Unfortunately, on the actual internet, and in real life in my experience, most discussions of philosophical, political, or religious topics are eristic.

I try to approach discussions on the premise that I'm not really addressing my interlocutor, I'm addressing the many lurkers, some of whom may not be committed to a position on the issue. So my objective is simply to present the most reasonable possible explication of my views.

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15 Oct 2014, 9:38 pm

khaoz wrote:

Raptor wrote:

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Raptor wrote:

Does anyone know what Khaoz is talking about?

As far as I can tell, http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt268125.html

Id almost be willing to bet this one gets locked, too.....

Locked for no reason, just like the last one. It would make you happy to shut up all the Progressives. Which moderator do you tithe?

I don't believe I was even in that thread. Why would I want to silence the progressives? You all provide a handy reminder of why I went conservaive at a very young age.
Tithing a moderator? Dream on. Most (or all) of them can't stand me.

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15 Oct 2014, 9:56 pm

s**t man, "progressives" aren't progressives at all, they're just the limeys who were afraid of the bushwhackers carrying crossbows several hundred years ago and got their king to ban them. They're conservative as s**t.

The real progressives are the Jeffersonian democrats.

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15 Oct 2014, 10:10 pm

A guy that likes to post moronic articles and refuse to defend them while ranting about how stupid everyone else is is bemoaning the death of discourse?

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15 Oct 2014, 11:38 pm

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Blackjack is the one game in casinos thats not 100 percent chance. A skilled player can have a tiny microscopic influence. That influence can be magnified surreptiously with confederates. That was illustrated in the book, and the later move "21" based on the real life exploits of the MIT math nerds who formed a gang to fleece vegas by card counting at the blackjack tables.

And no longer works because the management of casinos have taken measures to make sure card counting no longer works.

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16 Oct 2014, 6:26 am

GoonSquad wrote:

I disagree. In formal debates, such as between two politicians before an election, the aim is never to change the mind of either debator but rather to sway the undecided voters (lurkers). The most contentious threads function like a pre-election debate between politicians and the moderators function like the moderators at a political debate. That is genuine discourse. It holds the possibility that someone might change position in the face of reasonable argument but it is understood that this someone is the audience, not the participants.

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16 Oct 2014, 7:12 am

Sigbold wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

And no longer works because the management of casinos have taken measures to make sure card counting no longer works.

In Las Vegas, at particular casinos, they advertise you can card count, and they only use 1 deck. The only "catch" is that on those tables they lower the blackjack payout to 6:5, not 3:2. And thus, even with card counting, the lower blackjack payout puts the odds in their favor more than if you card count.

"reducing blackjack payouts from 3:2 to 6:5 adds a substantial 1.39% to the casino's advantage."
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/no6to5.php

One way to beat a casino is to eat like a pig at their buffet. They likely price their meals based on a per person food expectancy. All you have to do is beat that expectancy, and you're a winner!

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16 Oct 2014, 8:16 am

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One way to beat a casino is to eat like a pig at their buffet. They likely price their meals based on a per person food expectancy. All you have to do is beat that expectancy, and you're a winner!

So everyone pays the same for food, no matter how much they eat. Hmm, sounds like a good place to try some delicacies :twisted:

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16 Oct 2014, 9:37 am

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No.

Debate is inherently intellectually dishonest and there's no guarantee that either party is right. Debate does not inform or educate the audience. It merely communicates the perverse idea that it's better to cling to a position, no matter how fallacious, than it is to seek the truth.

Wikipedia sums it up nicely:

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While in theory debaters are not necessarily emotionally invested in their point of view, in practice debaters frequently display an emotional commitment that may cloud rational judgement.

Debate actually poisons the modern political process.

Our political process is designed to operate on dialectic and compromise.

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Dialectic (also dialectics and the dialectical method) is a method of argument for resolving disagreement that has been central to European and Indian philosophy since antiquity. The word dialectic originated in ancient Greece, and was made popular by Plato in the Socratic dialogues. The dialectical method is discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject, who wish to establish the truth of the matter guided by reasoned arguments.
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Socrates favoured truth as the highest value, proposing that it could be discovered through reason and logic in discussion: ergo, dialectic. Socrates valued rationality (appealing to logic, not emotion) as the proper means for persuasion, the discovery of truth, and the determinant for one's actions. To Socrates, truth, not aretē, was the greater good, and each person should, above all else, seek truth to guide one's life. Therefore, Socrates opposed the Sophists and their teaching of rhetoric as art and as emotional oratory requiring neither logic nor proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

Our constitution is the product of dialectic and compromise (finding the best, most practical solution). Left to debate, our founders would have never formed a union. We would have remained13 petty, bickering nation-states.

Debate encourages nothing but worthless, empty sophistry, certainly not genuine, productive discourse.

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16 Oct 2014, 7:21 pm

Sigbold wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

One way to beat a casino is to eat like a pig at their buffet. They likely price their meals based on a per person food expectancy. All you have to do is beat that expectancy, and you're a winner!

So everyone pays the same for food, no matter how much they eat. Hmm, sounds like a good place to try some delicacies :twisted:

I'm sure they charge a lot more than the Shoney's "six dollar all you can eat breakfast bar" that I look for on the road.

But yeah- you could stuff food down your overcoat for future consumption. And if they dont catch you (and take you to the back room with the card counters they catch to break your knee cap) you might come out ahead money-wise. And then you could make a movie about it, and call it "Glutton's Eleven"!

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17 Oct 2014, 11:09 am

naturalplastic wrote:

I'm sure they charge a lot more than the Shoney's "six dollar all you can eat breakfast bar" that I look for on the road.

Last time I had Shoney's breakfast buffet I found it to be rather lacking.....

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