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19 Oct 2014, 8:21 pm

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the meek shall inherit the earth, or at least what is left of it after the war makers have their way.


More like the meek will be the slaves of those who arent so meek....


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19 Oct 2014, 8:25 pm

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the meek shall inherit the earth, or at least what is left of it after the war makers have their way.


As the right likes to equate themselves with Christianity, that's something they ought to consider.


And the left likes to equate themselves to heathens.
What's your point?


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19 Oct 2014, 8:31 pm

can you please diagram that humor? :?



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19 Oct 2014, 8:48 pm

Raptor-

Agreeing with auntblabby is hardly the same as having him fight my battles. It just so happens we've got each others backs.
In better, more prosperous times, fast food was a stepping stone, but that was before big business betrayed us and left the American work force with low paying jobs. Now, fast food is rapidly becoming a way of life for many American workers, and it's only right that they be allowed to support themselves.
The left associates themselves with heathens? No, we simply don't beat others over the head with religion by mixing it with politics. MLK had been a man of God and a liberal, as are many on the left, and so that hardly sounds like endorsing heathenism.
The meek will be slaves of the the not so meek, despite what Christ said? What are you, some sort of millennialist?
And in closing, what does loving tree huggers and peaceniks have to do with being on the "dole?" I fail to see the connection. And by the way, what's wrong with people being in need, and seeking help, unless you belong to one of those crack pot evangelical prosperity gospel churches that teaches only the saved are given material wealth, or if your a godless Randian.


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19 Oct 2014, 9:11 pm

Egad, I just got a message that this thread no longer exists. It obviously still does.


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19 Oct 2014, 9:16 pm

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Egad, I just got a message that this thread no longer exists. It obviously still does.

thanks to your timely contributions, you saved this thread from disappearing prematurely. :thumleft:



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19 Oct 2014, 9:39 pm

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Agreeing with auntblabby is hardly the same as having him fight my battles. It just so happens we've got each others backs.

Uh huh...... :roll:

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In better, more prosperous times, fast food was a stepping stone, but that was before big business betrayed us and left the American work force with low paying jobs. Now, fast food is rapidly becoming a way of life for many American workers, and it's only right that they be allowed to support themselves.

Again, jobs left and jobs came in. The ones that left arent coming back but others already have or may very well come in their place.
Time to get over what was and adapt to what is and what will be. My family had to move from our home region twice when I was a kid because of what you're talking about so It's not like I've been isolated and above it all. We've been over this before a time or three.

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The left associates themselves with heathens? No, we simply don't beat others over the head with religion by mixing it with politics. MLK had been a man of God and a liberal, as are many on the left, and so that hardly sounds like endorsing heathenism.

The Christian religion is predominantly the domain of the right in this country and the right is predominantly the domain of practicing Christians.

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The meek will be slaves of the the not so meek, despite what Christ said? What are you, some sort of millennialist?

It's where we get back to pragmatism. The meek won't do for themselves so others will do unto them. It's that Darwin stuff come back to but us (more likely you) in the ass.

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And in closing, what does loving tree huggers and peaceniks have to do with being on the "dole?" I fail to see the connection.

It's a matter of priorities.
The right is more the hunter gatherer whilst the left skips through fields of daisies and resents the hunters and gatherers for being..... hunters and gatherers. The thing is that the field of daisy skippers have found a way to still skip through fields of daisies and not do actually s**t but still legally steal from the hunters and gatherers.
We could also apply the ant and grasshopper lesson.

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And by the way, what's wrong with people being in need, and seeking help,

Nothing as long as they don't use the safety net as a hammock.

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....unless you belong to one of those crack pot evangelical prosperity gospel churches that teaches only the saved are given material wealth....,

Last time I was a regular churchgoer I was 15 and it was by force. It was a Methodist Church and hardly evangelical in nature or mission.
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.......or if your a godless Randian.

Rand again....... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Does it ever get tiresome?


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19 Oct 2014, 9:46 pm

we are supposed to be better than the other animals, not emulative of them in terms of moral atavism. all this talk of "Darwin" makes me think that some folk, rather than recoil in horror as they should, instead revel in the brutality of a Hobbesian world, elevating such to quasi-noble terms such as "masculinity" or "manliness" or even "honor." again, we're supposed to be better than all that.



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19 Oct 2014, 9:52 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
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Agreeing with auntblabby is hardly the same as having him fight my battles. It just so happens we've got each others backs.

Uh huh...... :roll:

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In better, more prosperous times, fast food was a stepping stone, but that was before big business betrayed us and left the American work force with low paying jobs. Now, fast food is rapidly becoming a way of life for many American workers, and it's only right that they be allowed to support themselves.

Again, jobs left and jobs came in. The ones that left arent coming back but others already have or may very well come in their place.
Time to get over what was and adapt to what is and what will be. My family had to move from our home region twice when I was a kid because of what you're talking about so It's not like I've been isolated and above it all. We've been over this before a time or three.

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The left associates themselves with heathens? No, we simply don't beat others over the head with religion by mixing it with politics. MLK had been a man of God and a liberal, as are many on the left, and so that hardly sounds like endorsing heathenism.

The Christian religion is predominantly the domain of the right in this country and the right is predominantly the domain of practicing Christians.

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The meek will be slaves of the the not so meek, despite what Christ said? What are you, some sort of millennialist?

It's where we get back to pragmatism. The meek won't do for themselves so others will do unto them. It's that Darwin stuff come back to but us (more likely you) in the ass.

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And in closing, what does loving tree huggers and peaceniks have to do with being on the "dole?" I fail to see the connection.

It's a matter of priorities.
The right is more the hunter gatherer whilst the left skips through fields of daisies and resents the hunters and gatherers for being..... hunters and gatherers. The thing is that the field of daisy skippers have found a way to still skip through fields of daisies and not do actually s**t but still legally steal from the hunters and gatherers.
We could also apply the ant and grasshopper lesson.

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And by the way, what's wrong with people being in need, and seeking help,

Nothing as long as they don't use the safety net as a hammock.

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....unless you belong to one of those crack pot evangelical prosperity gospel churches that teaches only the saved are given material wealth....,

Last time I was a regular churchgoer I was 15 and it was by force. It was a Methodist Church and hardly evangelical in nature or mission.
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.......or if your a godless Randian.

Rand again....... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Does it ever get tiresome?


Why do you doubt that blabby and I have each others backs?
I am sincerely sorry to learn that your family had to move so much while you were growing up. As a matter of fact, I moved only twice as a kid, and that had to do with the fact that my mom was scared I'd get hit by a car on the busy street outside of our house - nothing to do with economics. I attribute our good fortune to the steady employment and good wage with benefits my dad got at his unionized job.
The notion that believers are only social and economic conservatives is a myth promoted by the right - blabby and I are living proof of that, as was your liberal family.
And social Darwinism is a despicable pseudo-science, with no real connection to scientific, biological Darwinism. Charles Darwin never once used his scientific findings to justify social inequality.
And inclosing - I suggest you hearken back to your days growing up as a Methodist, instead of hanging on every word spouted by the right.


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19 Oct 2014, 9:56 pm

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we are supposed to be better than the other animals, not emulative of them in terms of moral atavism. all this talk of "Darwin" makes me think that some folk, rather than recoil in horror as they should, instead revel in the brutality of a Hobbesian world, elevating such to quasi-noble terms such as "masculinity" or "manliness" or even "honor." again, we're supposed to be better than all that.


We're either animals or we're all descended from Adam and Eve.
Evolution or creationism; take your pick but you can't have it both ways.


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19 Oct 2014, 10:02 pm

Kraichgauer knows far more about such stuff than i.



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19 Oct 2014, 10:10 pm

Raptor wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
we are supposed to be better than the other animals, not emulative of them in terms of moral atavism. all this talk of "Darwin" makes me think that some folk, rather than recoil in horror as they should, instead revel in the brutality of a Hobbesian world, elevating such to quasi-noble terms such as "masculinity" or "manliness" or even "honor." again, we're supposed to be better than all that.


We're either animals or we're all descended from Adam and Eve.
Evolution or creationism; take your pick but you can't have it both ways.


As a matter of fact, you can have it both ways. I am not such a Biblical literalist that I cast doubt on evolution. I credit God with creation, and believe that we are made in His image, but I also believe that God, as creator, is the author of evolution. As a matter of fact, the majority of mainline Christians believe this.


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19 Oct 2014, 10:12 pm

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Kraichgauer knows far more about such stuff than i.


Why thank you for valuing my opinion! 8)


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19 Oct 2014, 10:13 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer knows far more about such stuff than i.


Why thank you for valuing my opinion! 8)

you are my port in a storm. :hail:



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19 Oct 2014, 10:26 pm

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Why do you doubt that blabby and I have each others backs?

Oh, I don't doubt it at all. From me, an "uh huh" or a "mm hmm" frequently followed by and eye roller can mean either disbelieve or "no s**t, sherlock". In this case it's the latter since it's no surprise to me that two Washington progressives have each others backs.

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I am sincerely sorry to learn that your family had to move so much while you were growing up. As a matter of fact, I moved only twice as a kid, and that had to do with the fact that my mom was scared I'd get hit by a car on the busy street outside of our house - nothing to do with economics. I attribute our good fortune to the steady employment and good wage with benefits my dad got at his unionized job.

Then you should note that I've gotten over it (what else is there to do?) and adapted and continue to adapt to the world I inherited, not lament fruitlessly over the inevitable turn of the tides that "changed" things.

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The notion that believers are only social and economic conservatives is a myth promoted by the right

I didnt say are only, but that Christianity is predominantly the domain of the right.

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- blabby and I are living proof of that, as was your liberal family.

My family is f*****g nuts, plain and simple. I could fill volumes on memory alone.

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And social Darwinism is a despicable pseudo-science, with no real connection to scientific, biological Darwinism. Charles Darwin never once used his scientific findings to justify social inequality.

Read what I said to Aunt Blabby about that.

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And inclosing - I suggest you hearken back to your days growing up as a Methodist,....

We went to the Methodist Church at my mother's insistence (the old very man rarely went and was a Nazarene by upbringing, anyway) only as a feelgood measure. We hardly practiced it at home beyond tacky symbolism and even mention of God or Jesus by me without being prompted to was scorned. Some methodist upbringing :roll: but it goes back to my family being nutzo.

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....instead of hanging on every word spouted by the right.

I think I've made it evident that I do not stick to the party line. As I've said before, I went conservative in my teens based on what I had observed and had experience up to that point, not what anyone told me to believe.
you're really starting to grasp at straws which speaks volumes.......


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19 Oct 2014, 11:25 pm

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Why do you doubt that blabby and I have each others backs?

Oh, I don't doubt it at all. From me, an "uh huh" or a "mm hmm" frequently followed by and eye roller can mean either disbelieve or "no s**t, sherlock". In this case it's the latter since it's no surprise to me that two Washington progressives have each others backs.

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I am sincerely sorry to learn that your family had to move so much while you were growing up. As a matter of fact, I moved only twice as a kid, and that had to do with the fact that my mom was scared I'd get hit by a car on the busy street outside of our house - nothing to do with economics. I attribute our good fortune to the steady employment and good wage with benefits my dad got at his unionized job.

Then you should note that I've gotten over it (what else is there to do?) and adapted and continue to adapt to the world I inherited, not lament fruitlessly over the inevitable turn of the tides that "changed" things.

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The notion that believers are only social and economic conservatives is a myth promoted by the right

I didnt say are only, but that Christianity is predominantly the domain of the right.

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- blabby and I are living proof of that, as was your liberal family.

My family is f*****g nuts, plain and simple. I could fill volumes on memory alone.

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And social Darwinism is a despicable pseudo-science, with no real connection to scientific, biological Darwinism. Charles Darwin never once used his scientific findings to justify social inequality.

Read what I said to Aunt Blabby about that.

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And inclosing - I suggest you hearken back to your days growing up as a Methodist,....

We went to the Methodist Church at my mother's insistence (the old very man rarely went and was a Nazarene by upbringing, anyway) only as a feelgood measure. We hardly practiced it at home beyond tacky symbolism and even mention of God or Jesus by me without being prompted to was scorned. Some methodist upbringing :roll: but it goes back to my family being nutzo.

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....instead of hanging on every word spouted by the right.

I think I've made it evident that I do not stick to the party line. As I've said before, I went conservative in my teens based on what I had observed and had experience up to that point, not what anyone told me to believe.
you're really starting to grasp at straws which speaks volumes.......


Why thank you for recognizing that we're Washington progressives! :P


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