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28 Oct 2014, 3:43 am

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I still am curious to see the reasoning for why welfare and people on it should be stigmatized, just because some people who aren't on it would not date someone who is, that smells like some pretty stupid bigotry to me. Though quite certain there are people who aren't on welfare in relationships with people who are.


Like I said in my last post, it's not about the amount of money people have as an income. It's about all the varying reasons (mental, mostly, but potentially physical/illness etc) that make them incapable of earning money that typically make them less than ideal mates. People who are capable of working hard and earning their way through life want to be paired up with someone that's their equal, so that they can share in things & experiences in life and motivate one another to continue rising upwards in everything they do. In general, you don't tend to get those sorts of attributes from those on welfare. Almost ever. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule of thumb.. i.e. damn near everyone in a geographic area being on welfare because there are NO jobs for whatever reason etc. But I'm talking typically.


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28 Oct 2014, 3:47 am

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All I ask is for people to think before they open their goddamn mouths and spew their obnoxious s**t. People are such f*****g imbeciles. They're too stupid and self-absorbed to even know how to be decent human beings. I add more value to the world living off SSI and volunteering to help people than hustling useless BS and telling self-absorbed wank stories about how I "pulled myself up by my bootstraps". My passion is science. I can't think of a career more boring than business or finance. I can't think of anything more boring in the entire universe.


Then live the financial life of a welfare person and never have anything to do with commerce. But you don't get to tell others they're wrong for thinking & feeling differently than you do. To each their own, grumpy one.


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28 Oct 2014, 3:51 am

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I think women should stay far away from anyone with a stink like goldfish21. I'm sure he'd cheat or divorce his wive if she got a chronic illness and couldn't work anymore. He'd no longer be attracted if she no longer had "ambition".


I agree with the first bit, kinda.. because I'm gay and don't care if women want me or not. :lol:

As for whether I'd ditch a partner for getting sick or injured - not likely; if I loved them. But I wouldn't begin a relationship with someone who has a chronic illness and can't work. That's not what I want to spend my time dealing with. I'd rather be with a healthy active guy like myself who can get out and do cool stuff like go kiteboarding or for a hike etc - and I will be with such a guy when I meet the right one.


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28 Oct 2014, 3:54 am

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This welfare thing is a dream for many here lol; there's no such thing here, if you don't make money - you die, evolution.


I am aware that you can get a lot more in the United Kingdom when compared to the United States and many people live luxurious lifestyles in the United Kingdom with many people taking advantage of the benefits system.

Iraqi asylum seekers make fortune renting out luxury flats in London
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-you.html

Millionaires' Row 2009: How hundreds of families get luxury homes on benefits far beyond the means of most working people
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3HQahAM55

?I am entitled to live in a house like this?: Jobless mother-of-seven insists her family ?deserve? £1.25MILLION taxpayer-funded home they 'trashed'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3HQaq5WFG

Deaf couple 'used £900,000 benefits money meant for sign language interpreters to fund luxury lifestyle including holiday to Dubai and diamond jewellery'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3HQb3xKtu



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28 Oct 2014, 3:58 am

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If you are on welfare, invest in yourself and take steps towards improving yourself physically, academically and mentally. Many people on welfare spend their money on alcohol, cigarettes or something that is unproductive for their future instead of learning or self improving.


It doesn't cost money to learn, that's what libraries and the internet are for....and there are even free classes of various things, doesn't really makes sense to pay for like college courses if you're unlikely to put a degree to use. That aside it is quite possible to spend money on cigarettes, alcohol, shoes, healthy activities/hobbies, rent, food ect....its a matter of budgeting for the necessities and then work with what you have left over for stuff you want but don't need people on welfare also buy movies, cd's, gaming systems ect and yes this is allowed because people on welfare are also allowed to buy things they want when they can afford it. Also what if you're dreams don't have to do with the conventional idea of 'success'.


That can be helped by having the qualification and learning something practical over learning something that irrelevant in the current market and some people do have money for lots of food, cigarettes and alcohol on benefits but that isn't productive in the slightest.

"It's not easy being overweight and on benefits, says 25 stone mother-of-two who wants MORE money from the government to help her diet"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z3HQc8fbnw



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28 Oct 2014, 4:17 am

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Stigmas & stereotypes all come from somewhere. There's a reason there's a negative stigma attached to being at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. It might suck to be stigmatized, but I can't say the stigma shouldn't exist.

Point in case: Someone with a negative attitude such as yours, who speaks to others with crude language & insults, is likely the type of person who doesn't have the social skills to get along with others well enough to be gainfully employed. There are reasons there's a stigma attached to being on welfare. The details vary, but in general it's because for whatever reason you're vibrating on a much lower plane and haven't elevated yourself up to the level of the working class in mind/body/spirit/attitude/work ethic/capabilities etc and so forth. I wouldn't want someone with your attitude bringing me down in life.

It has nothing to do with quantity of money and everything to do with the reasons people are incapable of earning money.


Ok so you are a disgusting person who looks down their nose at people who aren't as well off as you, and thus think stigma against such people is warranted, alright fair enough. You don't simply not want to date someone of a lower economic class you actually look down your nose at such people.

Also I don't really have a negative attitude, I do my best to look at the bright side even when crap sucks(sometimes I fail at it), even though my SSI isn't much I am glad I have it as it provides needed income and I have close family/friends and acquaintances who like my company, except if I am being grumpy but hey that's understandable. I do use some crude language, not really big on insults unless I really think it is necessary. Also I have autism of course my social skills aren't amazing...also have other mental health issues so yeah that would probably make it hard to get on well enough with people in general to be in the work force. Why should society add to my problems by stigmatizing people in my position?

Lol and what exactly is my attitude? That I don't care about wealth, power and status? And vibrating on a much lower plane huh? because I haven't elevated myself to the level of working class in mind/body/spirit/attitude/work ethic ect....well wouldn't want to anyways, if I ever am able to work to support myself than I'll settle for that but am not doing any mind/body/spirit or attitude transformations over it. Though my work ethic isn't really that bad I do things like help friends/family pack, move stuff, or stuff around the house just cannot hold sustainable employment.

But I wouldn't want disgusting stuck up people such as yourself bringing me down either so guess that makes it fair.


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28 Oct 2014, 4:18 am

I'd be embarrassed to post the link to the Daily Mail articles as a source.
It's a sh***y tabloid.



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28 Oct 2014, 4:22 am

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I still am curious to see the reasoning for why welfare and people on it should be stigmatized, just because some people who aren't on it would not date someone who is, that smells like some pretty stupid bigotry to me. Though quite certain there are people who aren't on welfare in relationships with people who are.


Like I said in my last post, it's not about the amount of money people have as an income. It's about all the varying reasons (mental, mostly, but potentially physical/illness etc) that make them incapable of earning money that typically make them less than ideal mates. People who are capable of working hard and earning their way through life want to be paired up with someone that's their equal, so that they can share in things & experiences in life and motivate one another to continue rising upwards in everything they do. In general, you don't tend to get those sorts of attributes from those on welfare. Almost ever. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule of thumb.. i.e. damn near everyone in a geographic area being on welfare because there are NO jobs for whatever reason etc. But I'm talking typically.


You should just stop, the more you type the more of a bigot you are coming off as....paired up with their equal? now people of lower economic class are not even equals, they are something inferior. And you've got a big obsession with the upwards direction, what will happen if you don't reach the top? I mean hell I can understand someone who is doing well in the conventional sense, conventionally successful and well to do is likely going to be most interested in a relationship with someone in a similar position. No need to bring all this bigotry into it.


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28 Oct 2014, 4:30 am

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If you are on welfare, invest in yourself and take steps towards improving yourself physically, academically and mentally. Many people on welfare spend their money on alcohol, cigarettes or something that is unproductive for their future instead of learning or self improving.


It doesn't cost money to learn, that's what libraries and the internet are for....and there are even free classes of various things, doesn't really makes sense to pay for like college courses if you're unlikely to put a degree to use. That aside it is quite possible to spend money on cigarettes, alcohol, shoes, healthy activities/hobbies, rent, food ect....its a matter of budgeting for the necessities and then work with what you have left over for stuff you want but don't need people on welfare also buy movies, cd's, gaming systems ect and yes this is allowed because people on welfare are also allowed to buy things they want when they can afford it. Also what if you're dreams don't have to do with the conventional idea of 'success'.


That can be helped by having the qualification and learning something practical over learning something that irrelevant in the current market and some people do have money for lots of food, cigarettes and alcohol on benefits but that isn't productive in the slightest.

"It's not easy being overweight and on benefits, says 25 stone mother-of-two who wants MORE money from the government to help her diet"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z3HQc8fbnw


Uhh you need food to live, so buying food is productive...sure cigarettes and alcohol are not productive, but the government isen't going to be passing a law against people on welfare having a beer here and there or smoking cigarettes, because yes even people on welfare have the right to buy consumer goods they want if they have the money for it.

Anyways I am actually on SSI due to disability, its unlikely I will be working any time soon...also you have no idea what things I like to learn about, some of them would certainly be productive in the right context/circumstances but for now still trying to get adequate mental health treatment. As for physical health I am skinny and I walk all the time, if anything I don't eat enough especially since my food stamps got cut so I doubt I would have anything in common with the fat mother on benefits wanting more money to help her diet....also I bet this is one of those one in a few cases but is written as though it's a proper representation of the majority of people who rely on a form of welfare/government assistance.


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28 Oct 2014, 4:35 am

I can't believe this topic has gotten so long actually



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28 Oct 2014, 7:11 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
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If you are on welfare, invest in yourself and take steps towards improving yourself physically, academically and mentally. Many people on welfare spend their money on alcohol, cigarettes or something that is unproductive for their future instead of learning or self improving.


It doesn't cost money to learn, that's what libraries and the internet are for....and there are even free classes of various things, doesn't really makes sense to pay for like college courses if you're unlikely to put a degree to use. That aside it is quite possible to spend money on cigarettes, alcohol, shoes, healthy activities/hobbies, rent, food ect....its a matter of budgeting for the necessities and then work with what you have left over for stuff you want but don't need people on welfare also buy movies, cd's, gaming systems ect and yes this is allowed because people on welfare are also allowed to buy things they want when they can afford it. Also what if you're dreams don't have to do with the conventional idea of 'success'.


That can be helped by having the qualification and learning something practical over learning something that irrelevant in the current market and some people do have money for lots of food, cigarettes and alcohol on benefits but that isn't productive in the slightest.

"It's not easy being overweight and on benefits, says 25 stone mother-of-two who wants MORE money from the government to help her diet"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z3HQc8fbnw


Uhh you need food to live, so buying food is productive...sure cigarettes and alcohol are not productive, but the government isen't going to be passing a law against people on welfare having a beer here and there or smoking cigarettes, because yes even people on welfare have the right to buy consumer goods they want if they have the money for it.

Anyways I am actually on SSI due to disability, its unlikely I will be working any time soon...also you have no idea what things I like to learn about, some of them would certainly be productive in the right context/circumstances but for now still trying to get adequate mental health treatment. As for physical health I am skinny and I walk all the time, if anything I don't eat enough especially since my food stamps got cut so I doubt I would have anything in common with the fat mother on benefits wanting more money to help her diet....also I bet this is one of those one in a few cases but is written as though it's a proper representation of the majority of people who rely on a form of welfare/government assistance.


You can get five days supply of brown rice and lentils cheap, you can get eggs and vegetables at a low price as well. Choose organic, it's good for you and the planet.

Spending it on chocolate bars, alcohol, cigarettes and cakes isn't productive at all, the leading causes of death in America are diabetes and obesity.

Exercise causes endorphins, rollerblading, skating, walking. According to the journal of the American medical association, the over consumption of red meat has been linked to diseases as such as colon cancer, high cholesterol and heart disease.



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28 Oct 2014, 7:31 am

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You can get five days supply of brown rice and lentils cheap, you can get eggs and vegetables at a low price as well. Choose organic, it's good for you and the planet.

Spending it on chocolate bars, alcohol, cigarettes and cakes isn't productive at all, the leading causes of death in America are diabetes and obesity.

Exercise causes endorphins, rollerblading, skating, walking. According to the journal of the American medical association, the over consumption of red meat has been linked to diseases as such as colon cancer, high cholesterol and heart disease.


Well what do you think I get when I get groceries...I always look for organic if its in my budget and lentils are awesome though I'd probably trade the brown rice for beans to make bean soup and fried bread, potatoes are also fairly cheap. Though admittedly I am away from the house a lot and thus don't really have means to cook so I end up having to get food on the go to but obviously I have to budget for that since it can get pricey pretty quick. I don't like chocolate bars or cake....I do like beer and cigarettes in moderation, but obviously that is not first priority.

As I said I walk a lot, I don't even drive...I walk around, take buses and I have a bicycle so I think I get my fair share of exercise, I probably walk at least a few blocks every day but realistically more than that. If anything I could afford to gain wait, so pretty sure I don't need to worry about obesity.


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28 Oct 2014, 7:50 am

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