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20 Oct 2014, 9:13 pm

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For the most part, i was just venting last night, and not thinking and writing as literally as I would be if even headed.


So it's okay for you to lie about me because you're "venting"?

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But I still believe you can and have been dismissive to those who disagree with you on the gun issue


As a biologist is dismissive of creationists; there are a lot of stupid arguments being made about guns by people who know nothing of them, many of them repeatedly debunked by me, and after addressing them dozens of times from the same people, I'm done patiently explaining. Again, I could be the most dismissive person in the world, but that doesn't make my points about you any less valid, this whole thing is an attempt to distract from a substantive criticism you can't or won't defend against; it's poor arguing, at best.

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just as you are selectively interested in the well being of the underdog only in terms of the war on drugs and what not.


The only thing selective here is your memory, as I've been out in front on a myriad of civil rights issues over the years, but as that would contradict the narrative you're trying to construct here, you conveniently "forget" about them. This is what I talk about when I say I can't tell if you're being dense or intentionally malicious, since you'd have to be really dense to have missed all of the various causes I've championed over the years, and as much as I don't like to assume malice, it's the more plausible explanation, as you do tend to start flinging poo when cornered.

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And while I never said Obama was perfect, especially on matters of deportations (which is a matter of trying to placate the right), and what not.


"Not perfect"? The guy is George W Bush 2.0, now with a bit more melanin in his skin and better public speaking skills, and most crucially, a D after his name. Also, who is he trying to placate with those deportations? Does you think he thinks Republicans will vote for him if he kicks more illegals out? Perhaps you should look a bit closer to home, I doubt your union friends are particularly enthusiastic about a large workforce who's willing to do what they do for a fraction of the cost, and have less than no use for organized labor; that seems the much more likely target audience for that policy.

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But seriously, the matter of assassinations is more than justifiable, as we're talking about hostile combatants whose primary motivation in life is to kill us. The President after all had taken an oath to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic, which includes Islamic radicals, even if they have American citizenship.


How do you know it's justified when all the information on that policy is classified? Who'd we kill? Classified. Why'd we kill him? Classified. What is the legal rationale allowing this program? Classified. Note on that last one, that's not sources and methods, that's nothing about the operational details of the program, that's the court decision saying why it's legal for the president to order assassinations, and we're not allowed to see it. Basically, this whole thing is based on Obama saying "trust us, this is legit", and I don't.

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20 Oct 2014, 9:14 pm

^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


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20 Oct 2014, 9:22 pm

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^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


As I always do when confronting liberal racism directed at minority conservatives, I give you exhibit A:

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I don't know why they think racism is okay if directed at conservatives, it's really quite shocking.


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20 Oct 2014, 9:24 pm

I can't help but believe that man has it in for his fellow blackfolk.



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20 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm

I almost forgot the most important part, the Clarence Thomas Rule:

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The Clarence Thomas Rule.* It goes something like this: When a black person expresses views that liberal elites have deemed unacceptable for black people to hold, it is permissible for good liberals to respond by implying that said black person is either too stupid or too corrupt to think for himself, and to then call that black person racist names. In fact, not only are both responses permissible and not racist, they are a recommended way of displaying your open-mindedness.


http://reason.com/blog/2010/10/21/juan- ... ockeys-and

You're welcome.

Edit- I see that we have examples already.


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20 Oct 2014, 9:29 pm

thank you for calling me racist when I merely pointed out that fellow always sides against the interests of the working class of which black folk are a large part.



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20 Oct 2014, 9:34 pm

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^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


It's loony enough that a black man like himself dons a Confederate uniform and holds the stars and bars, but to say he's a civil rights defender while fighting against atheists holding public office is inconsistent to the point of being beyond the norm.


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20 Oct 2014, 9:36 pm

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^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


It's loony enough that a black man like himself dons a Confederate uniform and holds the stars and bars, but to say he's a civil rights defender while fighting against atheists holding public office is inconsistent to the point of being beyond the norm.

a black man holding a confed flag is total brain tilt to me. it makes absolutely no sense. it is as crazy as a soup sandwich.



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20 Oct 2014, 9:37 pm

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^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


As I always do when confronting liberal racism directed at minority conservatives, I give you exhibit A:

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I don't know why they think racism is okay if directed at conservatives, it's really quite shocking.


I'm calling him insane because he believes atheists have no right to hold public office. If I recall correctly, he would oppose you if you wanted to serve in government. How is that at all right?


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20 Oct 2014, 9:41 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
For the most part, i was just venting last night, and not thinking and writing as literally as I would be if even headed.


So it's okay for you to lie about me because you're "venting"?

Kraichgauer wrote:
But I still believe you can and have been dismissive to those who disagree with you on the gun issue


As a biologist is dismissive of creationists; there are a lot of stupid arguments being made about guns by people who know nothing of them, many of them repeatedly debunked by me, and after addressing them dozens of times from the same people, I'm done patiently explaining. Again, I could be the most dismissive person in the world, but that doesn't make my points about you any less valid, this whole thing is an attempt to distract from a substantive criticism you can't or won't defend against; it's poor arguing, at best.

Kraichgauer wrote:
just as you are selectively interested in the well being of the underdog only in terms of the war on drugs and what not.


The only thing selective here is your memory, as I've been out in front on a myriad of civil rights issues over the years, but as that would contradict the narrative you're trying to construct here, you conveniently "forget" about them. This is what I talk about when I say I can't tell if you're being dense or intentionally malicious, since you'd have to be really dense to have missed all of the various causes I've championed over the years, and as much as I don't like to assume malice, it's the more plausible explanation, as you do tend to start flinging poo when cornered.

Kraichgauer wrote:
And while I never said Obama was perfect, especially on matters of deportations (which is a matter of trying to placate the right), and what not.


"Not perfect"? The guy is George W Bush 2.0, now with a bit more melanin in his skin and better public speaking skills, and most crucially, a D after his name. Also, who is he trying to placate with those deportations? Does you think he thinks Republicans will vote for him if he kicks more illegals out? Perhaps you should look a bit closer to home, I doubt your union friends are particularly enthusiastic about a large workforce who's willing to do what they do for a fraction of the cost, and have less than no use for organized labor; that seems the much more likely target audience for that policy.

Kraichgauer wrote:
But seriously, the matter of assassinations is more than justifiable, as we're talking about hostile combatants whose primary motivation in life is to kill us. The President after all had taken an oath to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic, which includes Islamic radicals, even if they have American citizenship.


How do you know it's justified when all the information on that policy is classified? Who'd we kill? Classified. Why'd we kill him? Classified. What is the legal rationale allowing this program? Classified. Note on that last one, that's not sources and methods, that's nothing about the operational details of the program, that's the court decision saying why it's legal for the president to order assassinations, and we're not allowed to see it. Basically, this whole thing is based on Obama saying "trust us, this is legit", and I don't.

Kraichgauer wrote:
And if I sometimes come off as flippant with answering an overly long post with a few lines, well, sometimes brevity is the best answer.


Brevity is one thing, emptiness is another.


(sigh) I was trying to be conciliatory without back pedaling on what I think is right. I'm not interested in carrying on this particular argument anymore as you seem intent of thinking the worse of me.


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20 Oct 2014, 9:43 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


It's loony enough that a black man like himself dons a Confederate uniform and holds the stars and bars, but to say he's a civil rights defender while fighting against atheists holding public office is inconsistent to the point of being beyond the norm.

a black man holding a confed flag is total brain tilt to me. it makes absolutely no sense. it is as crazy as a soup sandwich.


Amen, bro'blabby!


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20 Oct 2014, 9:58 pm

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Raptor wrote:
^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


It's loony enough that a black man like himself dons a Confederate uniform and holds the stars and bars, but to say he's a civil rights defender while fighting against atheists holding public office is inconsistent to the point of being beyond the norm.


Looney according to you. It's also hypocritical of you to say that about him while only selectively defending civil right while claiming to be a defender of civil rights.


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20 Oct 2014, 10:17 pm

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Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
For the most part, i was just venting last night, and not thinking and writing as literally as I would be if even headed.


So it's okay for you to lie about me because you're "venting"?

Kraichgauer wrote:
But I still believe you can and have been dismissive to those who disagree with you on the gun issue


As a biologist is dismissive of creationists; there are a lot of stupid arguments being made about guns by people who know nothing of them, many of them repeatedly debunked by me, and after addressing them dozens of times from the same people, I'm done patiently explaining. Again, I could be the most dismissive person in the world, but that doesn't make my points about you any less valid, this whole thing is an attempt to distract from a substantive criticism you can't or won't defend against; it's poor arguing, at best.

Kraichgauer wrote:
just as you are selectively interested in the well being of the underdog only in terms of the war on drugs and what not.


The only thing selective here is your memory, as I've been out in front on a myriad of civil rights issues over the years, but as that would contradict the narrative you're trying to construct here, you conveniently "forget" about them. This is what I talk about when I say I can't tell if you're being dense or intentionally malicious, since you'd have to be really dense to have missed all of the various causes I've championed over the years, and as much as I don't like to assume malice, it's the more plausible explanation, as you do tend to start flinging poo when cornered.

Kraichgauer wrote:
And while I never said Obama was perfect, especially on matters of deportations (which is a matter of trying to placate the right), and what not.


"Not perfect"? The guy is George W Bush 2.0, now with a bit more melanin in his skin and better public speaking skills, and most crucially, a D after his name. Also, who is he trying to placate with those deportations? Does you think he thinks Republicans will vote for him if he kicks more illegals out? Perhaps you should look a bit closer to home, I doubt your union friends are particularly enthusiastic about a large workforce who's willing to do what they do for a fraction of the cost, and have less than no use for organized labor; that seems the much more likely target audience for that policy.

Kraichgauer wrote:
But seriously, the matter of assassinations is more than justifiable, as we're talking about hostile combatants whose primary motivation in life is to kill us. The President after all had taken an oath to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic, which includes Islamic radicals, even if they have American citizenship.


How do you know it's justified when all the information on that policy is classified? Who'd we kill? Classified. Why'd we kill him? Classified. What is the legal rationale allowing this program? Classified. Note on that last one, that's not sources and methods, that's nothing about the operational details of the program, that's the court decision saying why it's legal for the president to order assassinations, and we're not allowed to see it. Basically, this whole thing is based on Obama saying "trust us, this is legit", and I don't.

Kraichgauer wrote:
And if I sometimes come off as flippant with answering an overly long post with a few lines, well, sometimes brevity is the best answer.


Brevity is one thing, emptiness is another.


(sigh) I was trying to be conciliatory without back pedaling on what I think is right. I'm not interested in carrying on this particular argument anymore as you seem intent of thinking the worse of me.


You've created that aura about yourself so don't go blaming anyone else. Maybe your opinion of yourself isn't very high since you can't seem to construct a single thought without consulting The Progressive's Guide to The Universe to see what you'rs supposed to think.


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20 Oct 2014, 10:31 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
For the most part, i was just venting last night, and not thinking and writing as literally as I would be if even headed.


So it's okay for you to lie about me because you're "venting"?

Kraichgauer wrote:
But I still believe you can and have been dismissive to those who disagree with you on the gun issue


As a biologist is dismissive of creationists; there are a lot of stupid arguments being made about guns by people who know nothing of them, many of them repeatedly debunked by me, and after addressing them dozens of times from the same people, I'm done patiently explaining. Again, I could be the most dismissive person in the world, but that doesn't make my points about you any less valid, this whole thing is an attempt to distract from a substantive criticism you can't or won't defend against; it's poor arguing, at best.

Kraichgauer wrote:
just as you are selectively interested in the well being of the underdog only in terms of the war on drugs and what not.


The only thing selective here is your memory, as I've been out in front on a myriad of civil rights issues over the years, but as that would contradict the narrative you're trying to construct here, you conveniently "forget" about them. This is what I talk about when I say I can't tell if you're being dense or intentionally malicious, since you'd have to be really dense to have missed all of the various causes I've championed over the years, and as much as I don't like to assume malice, it's the more plausible explanation, as you do tend to start flinging poo when cornered.

Kraichgauer wrote:
And while I never said Obama was perfect, especially on matters of deportations (which is a matter of trying to placate the right), and what not.


"Not perfect"? The guy is George W Bush 2.0, now with a bit more melanin in his skin and better public speaking skills, and most crucially, a D after his name. Also, who is he trying to placate with those deportations? Does you think he thinks Republicans will vote for him if he kicks more illegals out? Perhaps you should look a bit closer to home, I doubt your union friends are particularly enthusiastic about a large workforce who's willing to do what they do for a fraction of the cost, and have less than no use for organized labor; that seems the much more likely target audience for that policy.

Kraichgauer wrote:
But seriously, the matter of assassinations is more than justifiable, as we're talking about hostile combatants whose primary motivation in life is to kill us. The President after all had taken an oath to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic, which includes Islamic radicals, even if they have American citizenship.


How do you know it's justified when all the information on that policy is classified? Who'd we kill? Classified. Why'd we kill him? Classified. What is the legal rationale allowing this program? Classified. Note on that last one, that's not sources and methods, that's nothing about the operational details of the program, that's the court decision saying why it's legal for the president to order assassinations, and we're not allowed to see it. Basically, this whole thing is based on Obama saying "trust us, this is legit", and I don't.

Kraichgauer wrote:
And if I sometimes come off as flippant with answering an overly long post with a few lines, well, sometimes brevity is the best answer.


Brevity is one thing, emptiness is another.


(sigh) I was trying to be conciliatory without back pedaling on what I think is right. I'm not interested in carrying on this particular argument anymore as you seem intent of thinking the worse of me.


You've created that aura about yourself so don't go blaming anyone else. Maybe your opinion of yourself isn't very high since you can't seem to construct a single thought without consulting The Progressive's Guide to The Universe to see what you'rs supposed to think.


As I've never heard of that book, I can say in all truthfulness that I've never consulted it. Everything I say comes out of my disordered head. :lol:


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20 Oct 2014, 10:33 pm

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^ If a conservaive said that a black man was insane for doing what he believes it would be racism. :shameonyou:


It's loony enough that a black man like himself dons a Confederate uniform and holds the stars and bars, but to say he's a civil rights defender while fighting against atheists holding public office is inconsistent to the point of being beyond the norm.


Looney according to you. It's also hypocritical of you to say that about him while only selectively defending civil right while claiming to be a defender of civil rights.


How is attempting to bar atheists from public office in any way a defense of civil rights? I have absolutely no qualms with him speaking his mind, I just reserve the right to criticize him, especially if I find his ideas mentally unsound.


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20 Oct 2014, 10:44 pm

When I hear certain epithets, I immediately think of a gentleman, now quite elderly, with whom I had the honor of spending some time. He earned a Purple Heart at the Chosin Reservoir, he marched with Martin Luther King ? I saw the pictures ? he eventually earned a degree in economics and began making a name for himself in business. Being black, he had to fight racism every step of the way. We didn't talk politics much ? history, Mozart, and Patrick O'Brian were of greater interest to both of us ? but he did say at one point that he'd essentially given up on what he called the party of race hustlers and poverty pimps. Three guesses as to which party he meant.

And yes, there were many along the way who called him an Uncle Tom, and others who called him by a different phrase beginning with "uppity" and having much the same meaning. In every case the speaker only revealed the ignorance and hatred in his own soul.