Socialist party advocates for $20/hr and only pays $13/hr
http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/16/socia ... m-wage-but
Do they not have Google in Ireland?
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/16/socia ... m-wage-but
Do they not have Google in Ireland?
$13 as opposed to nothing is probably attractive to a prospective unemployed web developer without experience that cant get their foot in the door anywhere else. Theres other factors here. I am largely not privvy to the cost of living in America. We haven't been told if this job offers a good, extensive health insurance or not.
In any case.... ....disagreeing with the argument that this party are hypocrites is a far cry from agreeing with each of their individual policies.
Do i believe that skilled workers should be paid the same as what is considered to be the equivalent for 'unskilled workers'? No i don't. I don't agree with this model of trade in the first instance. However thats a debate for another thread.
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I must have missed the part where I tried to silence you, I was too busy handing you rope and stepping back to let you do your thing.
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Which makes what we have acceptable?
"We"? Are you talking about Ireland now?
And who said it was acceptable? It is greatly diminished like I said and the choices are either to cry over it or soldier on despite it and take comfort that it will continue to diminish as it has been.
Not if the GOP-Democrat dichotomy have anything to do with it, no.
Thats one spin on it.
It's reality unless you want to wreck most small business and create mass unemployment. $20 minimum is awesome until you can't find anyone that can afford to pay it.
If the government has to crutch business to that extent then it's hardly private business anymore.
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Oh, so you agree with the arguments against a high minimum wage then?
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Maybe thats the point, private business is over rated.
Quality of life and human security is more important than laissez faire dogma.
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Oh, so you agree with the arguments against a high minimum wage then?
I didn't say that. I would like see an end to the behaviours by predatory companies and political institutions that drive up unemployment and poverty. I don't necessarilly believe that a high minimum wage is at fault here.
I blame the recession on reckless bankers and speculative capitalists who gambled with our money and lost it before they recieved copious handouts to the tune of billions in taxpayers money in this perverse 'socialism for the rich and screw the rest' scenario.
However what I don't blame is ordinary people for having the temerity to ask for a dignified wage.
Maybe thats the point, private business is over rated.
Quality of life and human security is more important than laissez faire dogma.
I'll risk the rocks and shoals of capitalism any day over trusting my quality of life and human security to incompetent government bureaucrats. I work with incompetent government bureaucrats and while I'm generally on good terms with them I would not task them with so much as making a passable peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
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I must have missed the part where I tried to silence you, I was too busy handing you rope and stepping back to let you do your thing.
you said i was 'smearing' when i was doing no such thing. However you are too incredulous to see that.
If you want to dismiss all dissenting opinion as smear then you can dismiss any argument you want without having to defend your position.
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I'll risk the rocks and shoals of capitalism any day over trusting my quality of life and human security to incompetent government bureaucrats. I work with incompetent government bureaucrats and while I'm generally on good terms with them I would not task them with so much as making a passable peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
It depends on the quality of people you elect.
The problem with western democracies is that they elect unqualified bureaucrats suffering from terminal unwarranted self importance and then they act all surprised when they get leaders who exhibit the exact same attributes.
What we need is the rule of the skilled, not rule of the popularity contest winner.
I'll risk the rocks and shoals of capitalism any day over trusting my quality of life and human security to incompetent government bureaucrats. I work with incompetent government bureaucrats and while I'm generally on good terms with them I would not task them with so much as making a passable peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
It depends on the quality of people you elect.
The problem with western democracies is that they elect unqualified bureaucrats suffering from terminal unwarranted self importance and then they act all surprised when they get leaders who exhibit the exact same attributes.
1. You can't force competent people to run for office any more than you can prevent the incompetent from running. It comes down to choosing the lesser of two (or however many) evils.
2. The incompetent bureaucrats I was refering to are government employees, not elected officials. We can't weed out the incompetent because according to the left that might be mean.
There's the "we" thing again. Are you saying this problem exists in Ireland, too?
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1. You can't force competent people to run for office any more than you can prevent the incompetent from running. It comes down to choosing the lesser of two (or however many) evils.
Thats quite the point. I don't think there should be an 'office' as we understand it. I don't believe in having grey suited officials who ubiquitously dictate every industry regardless of their knowledge or understanding of it.
The health sector should be run by doctors. Science and research should be run by scientists. The education department should be run by teachers and so on and so fourth,
If you believe that the worst incompetency is from the bottom up you haven't been paying attention.
The problem is everywhere. Its ubiquitous. Theres no getting away from it.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_SDTzIZzTM[/youtube]
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Amen
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rI4phnMf-w[/youtube]
1. You can't force competent people to run for office any more than you can prevent the incompetent from running. It comes down to choosing the lesser of two (or however many) evils.
Thats quite the point. I don't think there should be an 'office' as we understand it. I don't believe in having grey suited officials who ubiquitously dictate every industry regardless of their knowledge or understanding of it.
The health sector should be run by doctors. Science and research should be run by scientists. The education department should be run by teachers and so on and so fourth,
We have to be able to elect our representatives. Period.
If you believe that the worst incompetency is from the bottom up you haven't been paying attention.
WTF are you talking about? It's the ones from the bottom up that we have to deal with face to face and the ones responsible for carrying out policy.
The problem is everywhere. Its ubiquitous. Theres no getting away from it.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_SDTzIZzTM[/youtube]
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Representatives in liberal democracy don't serve a practical function.
If we want a true democracy. People who are chosen as delegates must be recallable/rotatable at any time by his or her constituents, whose will these representatives are supposed to communicate.
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