Am I the only Aspie out there who belevies in a God?

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26 Oct 2014, 5:33 am

timf wrote:

I see the state religion of the United States to be secularism (the worship of man in general and self in particular).

If you feel that is "the state religion of the United States" then fine, but that isn't what secularism is. Secularism is the belief that there shouldn't be a "state religion", people should be free to believe whatever they like, and religious organisations should not get to create laws.

(I do not believe in any gods because there is no good evidence for them. There is no aspect of reality that requires a god, and parsimonious explanations are always more likely. I have no objection to people believing in things that don't exist, unless those beliefs cause them to do evil things, including suppressing objective knowledge such as evolution. If you are interested in learning more about why I believe what I believe then you may PM me, although I am not interested in converting you. I would welcome attempts to convert me)

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26 Oct 2014, 11:38 am

The_Walrus wrote:

timf wrote:

I see the state religion of the United States to be secularism (the worship of man in general and self in particular).

Hi. I'm probabley going to get told off for this but I'm afraid I have to say it anyway. Please don't tell people that they have the right to believe in things that don't exist. I don't believe in something that doesn't exist. I believe in something that is unproven. There is a difference. Surley you can see how "God doesn't exist, but believe in something that doesn't exist if you want" is the kind of Atheist attitude that makes Christians angry. If you wish to say it then at least say "Believe in something unproven if you want."

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26 Oct 2014, 2:51 pm

I believe reality itself is much more bizarre than god.

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26 Oct 2014, 4:21 pm

AdamK wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

(I do not believe in any gods because there is no good evidence for them. There is no aspect of reality that requires a god, and parsimonious explanations are always more likely. I have no objection to people believing in things that don't exist, unless those beliefs cause them to do evil things, including suppressing objective knowledge such as evolution. If you are interested in learning more about why I believe what I believe then you may PM me, although I am not interested in converting you. I would welcome attempts to convert me)

I'm glad somebody said something! Magic Space Cow (pbuh) is very very real. Sometimes I lay in my bed in the still of night, and I swear that I can sense the rhythmic signature of her majestic digestive tract. One day science will advance to the point that indisputable proof of the Holy Bovine (pbuh) will be produced for all to see.

Moo upon you all.

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26 Oct 2014, 5:00 pm

I don't believe in god and I guess there are two good reasons why not. 1) There is absolutely no evidence for the strong claim that there exists the sort of world-explaining god that both poly- and monotheism posit. 2) The notion of a god itself stands in need of an explanation and therefore cannot completely explain the world. God is the ultimate deus ex machina, in other words, and cannot do the job of completely explaining the world and thus cannot possibly fill its supposed role. "God" as that which ultimately conditions the world is an incoherent notion. This point presupposes the failure of the ontological argument, but I'm not too concerned about that.

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26 Oct 2014, 6:30 pm

Rocket123 wrote:

lunamoon1 wrote:

I'm interested to know if there's any of you out there who believe in the concept of "A Creator".

I am often times confused by the notion of ?God?. As an example, when I think about the teachings of my particular religion, the notion of ?God? goes far and beyond simply being ?A Creator?.

Furthermore, it seems like there?s a complex fabric of beliefs that go along with believing in a ?God?. Interestingly, it seems that this complex fabric of beliefs is highly personal (like people get to choose what aspects they believe in).

As a young aspie, I found this ?gray area? highly confusing. So, initially, I chose the rational path. To be an atheist. Later (in middle school), I realized that I should not be so rash. Since that time, I simply considered myself agnostic.

As a god botherer I actually believe agnosticism is most rational, with both and theism being faith positions, though I feel to only believe in what we can see and not we can feel is in fact a form of irrationality (as atheism but not agnosticism is) as feeling stuff is a large part of what makes us human. I wish more atheists where moderate atheists or agnostic, and a few of the more extreme religionists where agnostic. There would be less mockery and hatred between peoples if the extreme atheists grew into agnosticism and the more religious grew less religious such as ISIS etc.

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26 Oct 2014, 7:40 pm

There is confusion in this thread and in the larger human community about atheism.

True Atheism is benign and indifferent toward the god-believers.

True Atheists rarely think about the topic of god belief because they don't believe in imaginary beings and they don't focus on what they don't believe in. They spend their time and energy on important things.

There is, however, a 'type' of Atheist that is not a true Atheist and they should actually be called an ANTI-theist.

ANTI-theists despise god-believers(and all religion) and spend(read waste) a great deal of time and energy expressing how they feel about these issues. They are AGAINST gods and god-believers and consider their views to be vastly superior and they revel in pointing it out. Some of them even devote their lives to mocking and debating with Xtians and so on. :roll:

They are AGAINST something that, in their own opinion, does not even exist :!: :?: :!: :?: :!: :!: :?: :!: :!:
This is very odd don't ya think?

True atheist simply don't care if someone believes in sky gods or whatever and they enjoy their lives rarely thinking about such trivialities.

Btw, all Xtians(for example) are Atheist toward Ra, Odin, Krishna, Kali, Saraswati, etc..... and they ignore these gods as fantasy just as a true Atheist ignores the Xtian god as irrelevant.

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26 Oct 2014, 8:50 pm

I believe in God.

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26 Oct 2014, 8:54 pm

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26 Oct 2014, 9:32 pm

There's a few of us here who believe in 'The One Thing' of Emerald Tablet/Tabula Smaragdina fame. Panentheism makes the most sense to me just because thought becoming matter - whether it's me building a dog house or God purportedly speaking a universe into existence - can't be considered a thing fully separate from its originator. It would be like claiming that electricity is created ex nihilo from steam turbines.

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26 Oct 2014, 9:53 pm

qawer wrote:

I believe all Aspies believe in God. :wink:

Not this Aspie.

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26 Oct 2014, 10:09 pm

[quote="timf"]

I see the state religion of the United States to be secularism (the worship of man in general and self in particular).[/quote]

The state religion of the United States is State Worship.
Like in South Park:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA-0nkoHS6c

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26 Oct 2014, 10:11 pm

slave wrote:

There is confusion in this thread and in the larger human community about atheism.

True Atheism is benign and indifferent toward the god-believers.

True Atheists rarely think about the topic of god belief because they don't believe in imaginary beings and they don't focus on what they don't believe in. They spend their time and energy on important things.

There is, however, a 'type' of Atheist that is not a true Atheist and they should actually be called an ANTI-theist.

ANTI-theists despise god-believers(and all religion) and spend(read waste) a great deal of time and energy expressing how they feel about these issues. They are AGAINST gods and god-believers and consider their views to be vastly superior and they revel in pointing it out. Some of them even devote their lives to mocking and debating with Xtians and so on. :roll:

They are AGAINST something that, in their own opinion, does not even exist :!:

This is very odd don't ya think?

True atheist simply don't care if someone believes in sky gods or whatever and they enjoy their lives rarely thinking about such trivialities.

Btw, all Xtians(for example) are Atheist toward Ra, Odin, Krishna, Kali, Saraswati, etc..... and they ignore these gods as fantasy just as a true Atheist ignores the Xtian god as irrelevant.

I wish nonbelievers could just be content with saying they do not believe in a God instead of going out of their way to make the point that they are Atheist. I think the Atheists who make a point identifying them self as such have ulterior motives. I think this breed of Atheist view Atheism as an indicator of intelligence. This is the breed of Atheist that is consumed with engaging in lofty, "highbrow" discourse extrapolating on why they are Atheists and how and why Atheism is correct and belief in a God is inferior. Beard stroking pontificators.

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