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sinsboldly
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 Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: OMG! New Surgeon General OMG! |
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I vaguely recall a time when Surgeon General was a big deal. C. Everett Koop became a prominent national figure in the 1980s, and seemed to take the position from honorary title to leading public health official.
Other than Joycelyn Elders, who gained unwelcome notoriety, ( for advocating masturbation in stead of pre-marital sex, by the way)the position hasn't garnered much attention since.
However, with President Bush's new nominee for the job, Joseph Holsinger, we're probably going to hear quite a bit more about the position.
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Holsinger and his wife founded Hope Springs Community Church in a warehouse at 1109 Versailles Road. Calhoun called it a socially diverse congregation with a "very vital recovery ministry." It serves the homeless and those with addictions to drugs, alcohol and sex; and it has a Spanish-language Hispanic congregation with its own pastor. [...]
Hope Springs also ministers to people who no longer wish to be gay or lesbian, Calhoun said.
"We see that as an issue not of orientation but of lifestyle," he said. "We have people who seek to walk out of that lifestyle."
Holsinger, in his capacity as a high-ranking official in the United Methodist Church, also opposed allowing a lesbian to be an associate pastor, and backed another pastor who refused to let a gay man join his church.
The Surgeon General needs Senate confirmation.
I am gonna watch those hearings! |
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JonnyBGoode
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I say good for him. Anyone who thinks other than the "politically correct" view on homosexual behavior these days is ridiculed and marginalized, even though the jury is really still out. And if these people that come to him want to change... where's the harm in helping them?
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jimservo
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I need to learn more. This doesn't necessary seem like it would bar him. Of course, he his says he won't enforce laws, ex cetera, then that would. I need to know a bit more.
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skafather84
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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f**k bush.
edit:
Said Bush:
As America's chief health educator, he will be charged with providing the best scientific information available on how Americans can make smart choices that improve their health and reduce their risk of illness and injury.
for some reason i doubt a pastor who runs a church that "cures gays" will be the best source of scientific information and the best person qualified to analyze scientific data presented. |
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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It does say he wants to help them out of the LIFESTYLE, but not the orientation.
But it the orientation is supposed to be ah. . 'incorrect'...
I am looking forward to the Senate hearings.
Merle |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| you misunderstand what he's saying. he's saying that there is no orientation and it's simply a lifestyle choice. |
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richardbenson
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| i like that surgeon general that looks like abraham lincon |
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | | you misunderstand what he's saying. he's saying that there is no orientation and it's simply a lifestyle choice. |
oh, goodness, thank you for pointing that out to me, skafather84! Here I was, trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. . .
(snark) of course, I remember distinctly when I made the choice to be heterosexual! My parents had a party for me and all my friends came. We had a nice big ice cream "CHOICE DAY" cake from Baskin-Robbins and I got all sorts of presents. (snark)
 Remember YOUR choice day? Ah. . memories, good memories
Merle |
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kclark
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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There is definitely a choice of lifestyle to be made. Even if being homosexually orientated is genetically determined the choice to act upon your orientation is exactly that, a choice.
You could be oriented gay and yet choose not to perform homosexual acts. This is what this Pastor is advocating.
It is probably going to be a very hard choice to make and keep, but if you believe that is what you want, then it is the choice you will make.
You could be oriented gay and choose to perform homosexual acts. This is the lifestyle that he is saying is not allowed in his religion.
Likewise a heterosexually oriented person could choose between between the lifestyle of a homosexual or heterosexual. |
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spdjeanne
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I think people with AS type personalities should have more compassion for people with a homosexual orientation, not that they are mutually exclusive personality characteristics.
Try thinking of it this way:
Is having AS is a choice? There are genetic factors, but they don't necessarily determine a person's AS type personality. Does that mean that a person then chooses to have AS? And if a person with AS wants to try to have a NT personality to fit in because they have experienced shame and guilt when interacting awkwardly with other people, should they be encouraged to validate their shame and guilt and then when they fail to change feel condemned? Should people with AS try and become like NT people or should they accept themselves as they are and learn to live the way they are? Would it be loving to tell a person with AS that if they can't change they just can't act on their AS impulses their entire lives even if they wanted to interact with other people with AS and didn't intend on interacting with NT people anymore? |
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sinsboldly
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good point! spdjeanne.
I was born like this, and I had never had anyone suggest that I shouldn't be like an NT only. I have been encouraged to be other than I am, i.e. 'like everybody else!' No one has ever said it was 'alright ' to be as I naturally am, and when I am myself, it is either stifled "Merle, that's ENOUGH!" or shamed "nobody ELSE feels like that, Merle!" or ridiculed " well, the rest of the world is just wrong and you are right, Merle."
So, lets see if I get this right. I didn't chose this way of being (i.e. Asperger's Syndrome) however I have been encouraged to not exhibit the symptoms in polite society. I struggled mightily to overcome the grossest exhibitions of my uniqueness, so society would accept me.
I have tried t o hide my true self because of societal pressure and disapproval.
It was when I came to WP that I saw others who had been raised by a different generation, an educated generation that I first realized that it was OK for me to BE different in the world. ( I mean not being ok didn't keep me from being like this, because that can't be done, but it CAN make you feel pretty bad about your self for about 60 years.
thank you WP. I am glad to come out of my closet. they can kiss my pretty patootie if they don't care much for my attitude.
Merle
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spdjeanne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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I also wanted to add:
If someone with an AS personality type knows that something is different about them and has always known it from the time they were little, but doesn't know that there is a name for it until much later, does knowing and accepting the name of their personality type mean that they've chosen to have that personality type?
Oh and one last thing, I'm a Christian too. |
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| spdjeanne wrote: | I also wanted to add:
If someone with an AS personality type knows that something is different about them and has always known it from the time they were little, but doesn't know that there is a name for it until much later, does knowing and accepting the name of their personality type mean that they've chosen to have that personality type?
Oh and one last thing, I'm a Christian too. |
ah, so if I chose NOT to have my 'name of personality type' does that mean I don't have it, or am cured? I would still experience Asperger's Syndrome whether I accepted it or not, wouldn't I?
So if my behavior offended someone, am I to forgo being myself for their comfort to live in society?
Merle |
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spdjeanne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| sinsboldly wrote: | | spdjeanne wrote: | I also wanted to add:
If someone with an AS personality type knows that something is different about them and has always known it from the time they were little, but doesn't know that there is a name for it until much later, does knowing and accepting the name of their personality type mean that they've chosen to have that personality type?
Oh and one last thing, I'm a Christian too. |
ah, so if I chose NOT to have my 'name of personality type' does that mean I don't have it, or am cured? I would still experience Asperger's Syndrome whether I accepted it or not, wouldn't I?
So if my behavior offended someone, am I to forgo being myself for their comfort to live in society?
Merle |
 I really feel like you get everything I'm saying. Thanks! By the way, this nomination is rather disturbing, isn't it. Also, I only wanted to say that I was a Christian because I don't feel that it is widely known that some Christians don't think homosexuality is a sin. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| kclark wrote: | There is definitely a choice of lifestyle to be made. Even if being homosexually orientated is genetically determined the choice to act upon your orientation is exactly that, a choice.
You could be oriented gay and yet choose not to perform homosexual acts. This is what this Pastor is advocating.
It is probably going to be a very hard choice to make and keep, but if you believe that is what you want, then it is the choice you will make.
You could be oriented gay and choose to perform homosexual acts. This is the lifestyle that he is saying is not allowed in his religion.
Likewise a heterosexually oriented person could choose between between the lifestyle of a homosexual or heterosexual. |
what a perverse idea.
denying one's own sexuality due to the misguided opinions of a group of ignoramuses.
homosexuality isn't wrong. religion is. |
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