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spdjeanne
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 Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: Sexism, is it getting better or worse? |
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| I'm not sure if it is just my perspective that is getting sharper and more hypersensitive about sexism or if sexism is actually getting a little worse. What is your perspective? |
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TruenoBlues
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It's getting worse. I really have to blame girls today for it, because they don't stand up and say "I'm not going to be a Paris Hilton clone." Not to say men aren't responsible, but these girls are allowing themselves to be lowered in status. I hate seeing it.
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SolaCatella
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's getting worse also. Today's atmosphere allows people to make sexist comments--and anyone who objects is laughed off with an "but it's only joking!" I hear girls in my class say that they're not feminists, including one who has openly said that she doesn't think that women should vote (WTF?).
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CockneyRebel
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that it's getting worse, as well. Especially with the scant clothes that girls wear these days, and the diets that they go on. I miss the good old days, when girls used to cover themselves. I would never dress like those girls, or diet the way that they do. |
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Santa_Claus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| From what I've seen, way worse. |
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Anubis
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on the way you look at it.
You have equal opportunities in MOST developed countries, any guy found guilty of sexual harrassment can say goodbye to his career. Reverse sexism? Nonsense. There are still men who are impolite and rather inappropriate towards women. With the rise of binge drinking and some television and media which portrays women as sex objects, as well as the internet, which has tons of porn and sexual references to women. Action needs to be taken, especially against the harrassment. It should be treated as a reprehensible crime worthy of a considerable fine.
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sinsboldly
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I think it is same as it ever was.
really, it's just couched in different terms these days. I have never really seen any difference in the way I was treated as a woman when I was young and as a woman as I was old, the only change is then they wanted to **** me and now they don't.
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spdjeanne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| TruenoBlues wrote: | | It's getting worse. I really have to blame girls today for it, because they don't stand up and say "I'm not going to be a Paris Hilton clone." Not to say men aren't responsible, but these girls are allowing themselves to be lowered in status. I hate seeing it. |
I'm not sure the word "blame" is the right wording to use here, but I do see how, especially young women, are standing up for themselves less and less. I do NOT feel that they are to "blame" for being oppressed in the first place. |
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spdjeanne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| sinsboldly wrote: | I think it is same as it ever was.
really, it's just couched in different terms these days. I have never really seen any difference in the way I was treated as a woman when I was young and as a woman as I was old, the only change is then they wanted to **** me and now they don't.
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I'm curious, do you think that sexism is more or less overt today than it was when you were younger? |
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TruenoBlues
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| spdjeanne wrote: | | TruenoBlues wrote: | | It's getting worse. I really have to blame girls today for it, because they don't stand up and say "I'm not going to be a Paris Hilton clone." Not to say men aren't responsible, but these girls are allowing themselves to be lowered in status. I hate seeing it. |
I'm not sure the word "blame" is the right wording to use here, but I do see how, especially young women, are standing up for themselves less and less. I do NOT feel that they are to "blame" for being oppressed in the first place. |
Right, I never said they were to blame for the oppression, but by not standing up, they are exacerbating the problem.
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methinks
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In my backwater corner of the world,I have been judged in all sorts of predictable ways,by both men and women,for believing in women as capable human beings.And I have seen nearly as much sexism in women towards men(chauvinism,objectification,degradation)as the reverse,though it is usually less overt and less discussed.And,of course,women can be brutal towards one another.
People are just defensive about roles. |
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spdjeanne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| methinks wrote: | In my backwater corner of the world,I have been judged in all sorts of predictable ways,by both men and women,for believing in women as capable human beings.And I have seen nearly as much sexism in women towards men(chauvinism,objectification,degradation)as the reverse,though it is usually less overt and less discussed.And,of course,women can be brutal towards one another.
People are just defensive about roles. |
I agree that both men and women can be sexist. Just being a woman doesn't exempt a person from being sexist. |
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| methinks wrote: | In my backwater corner of the world,I have been judged in all sorts of predictable ways,by both men and women,for believing in women as capable human beings.And I have seen nearly as much sexism in women towards men(chauvinism,objectification,degradation)as the reverse,though it is usually less overt and less discussed.And,of course,women can be brutal towards one another.
People are just defensive about roles. |
I was shopping at a local 'discount' grocery store and a older woman was with a younger man trailing her shopping cart. she was argueing with him - he had gone to get charcol briquets and had brought back what he thought was a bargain. the woman said loudly to me and another woman "MEN!, how do they survive with that kind of thinking? " Now, don't get me wrong, I like to complain as much as anyone but there were three little girls in the aisle that was hearing that.
I was in a dimlemma, because normally I would have started a pointed discussion and become rather involved and go far past the point where some poor customer service assistant manager is plucking my sleave and saying " ah. . Ma'am? Ma'am we'd be glad to help you check out now on checkstand 5"
I just didn't think it was right for her to be downtalking A man and HER man, to boot!
What would YOU have done?
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spdjeanne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| sinsboldly wrote: | | methinks wrote: | In my backwater corner of the world,I have been judged in all sorts of predictable ways,by both men and women,for believing in women as capable human beings.And I have seen nearly as much sexism in women towards men(chauvinism,objectification,degradation)as the reverse,though it is usually less overt and less discussed.And,of course,women can be brutal towards one another.
People are just defensive about roles. |
I was shopping at a local 'discount' grocery store and a older woman was with a younger man trailing her shopping cart. she was argueing with him - he had gone to get charcol briquets and had brought back what he thought was a bargain. the woman said loudly to me and another woman "MEN!, how do they survive with that kind of thinking? " Now, don't get me wrong, I like to complain as much as anyone but there were three little girls in the aisle that was hearing that.
I was in a dimlemma, because normally I would have started a pointed discussion and become rather involved and go far past the point where some poor customer service assistant manager is plucking my sleave and saying " ah. . Ma'am? Ma'am we'd be glad to help you check out now on checkstand 5"
I just didn't think it was right for her to be downtalking A man and HER man, to boot!
What would YOU have done?
Merle |
I'm not very confrontational so I probably would have let it go. I might have thought to myself that it was a disrespectful thing to say and didn't set a very good example of how adults, especially couples, are supposed to interact with each other. |
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| spdjeanne wrote: | | sinsboldly wrote: | I think it is same as it ever was.
really, it's just couched in different terms these days. I have never really seen any difference in the way I was treated as a woman when I was young and as a woman as I was old, the only change is then they wanted to **** me and now they don't.
Merle |
I'm curious, do you think that sexism is more or less overt today than it was when you were younger? |
oh, much less overt, because they can bitch about having to be being Politically Correct all they want, they also know what will go over and what won't. But they are really quick to turn it all against you and somehow it is YOU that can't take a joke! ( you know. . the usual bully scene.)
but how they talk about you when you aren't around is the real test. I was in computer technical support both on the phones and in a "Geek Squad" sort of way. After the DOT.COM boom went bust I had to get out of my profession because the gloves were off, and the men finally wanted the whole 'women in the man's business' experiment to be over. The COVERT sexism was so prevelent and fierce I had to get out of the business.
And it wasn't because of my skills, it was because when I was around, they couldn't BS like they wanted to, so they made my life hell until I left.
So I changed careers.
Merle |
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