 
Support Wrong Planet Awareness!
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Are you Christian |
| Yes- Catholic |
|
10% |
[ 14 ] |
| Yes-Prodestant |
|
23% |
[ 31 ] |
| Yes- Other |
|
16% |
[ 22 ] |
| No |
|
49% |
[ 66 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 133 |
|
| Author |
Message |
Nambo
Velociraptor
Joined: Sep 01, 2007
Posts: 497
Location: Croydon England
|
 Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Teln wrote: | If God really existed, do you think He would have let something like the Holocaust happen?
'Nuff said. |
Have a read of the Bible where you will find we (man), left Gods rulership deciding we can do quite well on are own without his help, thank you very much, the Bible also tells us we are now under the rulership of the Devil, thats why there is so much wickedness, wars and suffering.
What God did promise us is a King who would destroy the Devil and all who prefer his rulership whereupon "the Meek will inherit the earth", this is what the battle of Armeggedon is about, when Jesus fights for world rulership, then there will be no Holocausts, but at the moment, dont blame it on God.
Did you ever here we should pray for this event?
"Let thy Kingdom come"
"Let thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven" |
|
| Back to top |
|
elvenmage
Snowy Owl
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
Posts: 125
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I prefer bashing christians, actually. |
|
| Back to top |
|
h4x0r
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Jul 30, 2007
Posts: 44
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Netish wrote: | obviously you didn't actually READ my post. I have read other things than just the bible. And I said God did NOT banish Adam and Eve for having sex. Please read more carefully.
Yes, I HAVE read the entire bible.
Yes, we DO think about other aspects of death besides just Christian views.
If about the tree issue you are refering to the tree of knowledge, yes God could have destroyed it. That is not the point. The point is he gave humans free will to chose.
No, reading things against Christianity, and or reading about other religions does not hurt me. I have no idea where you got that theory from.
Finally as for the question of evil, I find it best to refer you to this book due to the length of the explanation. The stance of Kreeft and Tacelli, Handbook of Christian Apologetics, pgs 132-133. |
No I was not talking about that tree, I used tree as an example..
Let me rephrase the question so it's easier for you christian folk to understand:
Christianity, Islam and Judism all state God can do anything. Can God create something that he can't destroy? If he could do that he can't do anything because he can't destroy what he created, and if he can't create something he can't destroy he can't do anything either so thus Omnipotence (the ability to literately do anything) is flawd, and impossible because things like that even if there was a god, he would be unable to do. And like I said earlier:"The most common Christian response to this question is either "But God would have no need to do that.", "But God wouldn't do that." or my favorite "God could do it if he really wanted to.". All of these are responses I've gotten from christians attempting to answer that question, all do not relate to the question at all or make any sense. " May I ask you a simple question that I actually want you to answer without you using any of this christian bullshit? If you were to have a child, and not teach him anything, and raise him/her in the natural world, what religion would he be? The correct answer is he/she wouldn't have a religion at all, which is the way it's supposed to be. Christianity and every other religion are some of the worst/pathetic belief systems in our current society. One of the funniest things people do to me at my school when asked what religion I am and I say atheist, First about 75% will ask, "What's that?" then when I tell them, they say i'm going to hell, which proves how f*cked up society is. I just I don't have any religious beliefs and they say that, how pathetic, is every person in your religion *that* uninformed about anything other than this long chain of lies? You can't prove your religion other than using a 2000 year old fiction book with no facts, evidence, proof anything and you use it as a manual for life. How pathetic can it get? Oh yes there's more, you people try to force your religion on everything. Don't understand what I mean? Look why the religion still exists, thats why. And I suggest you read my other post again because you didn't reply to atleast half of it, then again you can't most likely so I can see why. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Netish
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Joined: Oct 21, 2007
Posts: 62
Location: FL
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
well first off you have to clearly state questions because I have trouble if you're implying a question
1) have you actually looked up the definition of omnipotence? yeah I might suggest you do that because you are missing an important piece of the definition.
2) A child raised without any religion introduced would in fact come to some conclusion about how the world was created and things are run. Name one civilization that did not have a belief system.
3) About being an athiest...that's your issue if you want to reject the presence of God. And yes, if you do not believe that Jesus came and died for your sins, you ARE going to hell. Not just because you are a self-styled "atheist".
4) Forcing Christianity is not one of the Bible's teachings. It tells us to spread the good news, and if rejected to let them be. If people claim they are following the bible when they are trying to cram it down your throat, they are missinformed.
5) Proof, since obviously you don't get the idea there is proof and don't care to do a little research, I will list some examples of proof.
Finding of noah's ark
Proof of the appearance of the star in bethlehem
Proof of the census during Herod's reign as recorded in the bible
The listing of numerous biblical figures in historical records
Statements made in the bible before ever proved through science
The Earth is round, not flat as once believed (Isaiah 40:22)
Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)
Field of Gravity (Job 26:7)
Biological importance of blood to life (Leviticus 17:11)
The two books of the Chronicles are not only the genealogy of people, but also of secular
ancient history which can be proven.
The throne of England contains records that show it is the throne of King David
Records can also be found in France connecting many of those kings to the genealogical records
Joshua’s long day, where God stopped the sun for approximately 24 hours, is proof of the Bible
(Josh. 10:12-13). Many ancient cultures record in their histories a time when the world was dark
for a day, stayed light for a day, when the sun set for a day or rose in the east and stayed
there for about a day.
The Lord not only prophesied King Cyrus’ future existence, but also told in great detail what the
King would accomplish on the Lord’s behalf during his lifetime. King Cyrus was not a fictional
character. His tomb is in the Middle East to this day. Some of the accounts are found in:
Isaiah 44:26, 28; 45:1-7, 11, 13-14; 2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-3 and Daniel 10:1.
Here is even more facts : http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html
As you can see THERE IS PROOF! |
|
| Back to top |
|
Netish
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Joined: Oct 21, 2007
Posts: 62
Location: FL
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Oh and what is with the insulting of all religion. Since cramming religion down other people's throats is one of your points, shouldn't you NOT be trying to cram your "athiesm" down my throat?
Oh and by the way, I am not stupid, ignorant, unintelligent, or and of those similar terms. Also, you don't have to attack my religion or me personally just because you are in denial. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Beno
Blue Jay
Joined: Oct 29, 2006
Posts: 78
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| At any one point in human history, there's a length of knowledge that we have, then a gap, and then another length of knowledge. In the gap humans traditionally say "That's God." But as our knowledge expands that gap gets narrower and narrower. And it happens all the time. Darwin and the age of the universe are the ones that some people don't seem to want to get over. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Joybob
Velociraptor
Joined: Sep 23, 2007
Posts: 460
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I dunno. If I went to the tomb of say, Napoleon, and saw that the coffin had been removed and the body was no longer there I wouldn't assume that Napoleon rose from the dead. I'd simply think that someone stole the body. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Netish
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Joined: Oct 21, 2007
Posts: 62
Location: FL
|
| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
| that's what everyone else first thought when Jesus rose from the dead, however He appeared to people all over and showed He was indeed alive if you want an example see: John 20 |
|
| Back to top |
|
IdahoRose
Imaginary Friend
Joined: Feb 25, 2007
Age: 17
Posts: 4458
Location: Boise, ID
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I'm Roman Catholic and I love Jesus. |
|
| Back to top |
|
DeanFoley
Sea Gull
Joined: Nov 07, 2007
Posts: 212
Location: England-Birmingham
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
| I'm an Athiest. I find religion ridiculous, to be honest. There is as much evidence supporting religion as there is to an ice cream factory being on jupiter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Netish
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Joined: Oct 21, 2007
Posts: 62
Location: FL
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
| right then there is as much evidence as your ability to read as there is to be a desk up your nose |
|
| Back to top |
|
Matalius
Butterfly
Joined: Oct 01, 2007
Posts: 9
Location: Used to think Mars, but turns out it's Earth
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Netish wrote: | Oh and what is with the insulting of all religion. Since cramming religion down other people's throats is one of your points, shouldn't you NOT be trying to cram your "athiesm" down my throat?
Oh and by the way, I am not stupid, ignorant, unintelligent, or and of those similar terms. Also, you don't have to attack my religion or me personally just because you are in denial. |
What irony, you say people shouldn't cram their atheism down your throat, and then say they are in denial for not believing.
Seriously, stop trying to prove to people that God exists, they chose to not believe, leave them alone. And the other atheists,
stop trying to prove her religion wrong. Answer the damn question, and leave it at that. Don't go around bashing people for
what they believe (or don't believe) in.
To answer that question: No, I'm not Christian, I call myself an Atheist, but it doesn't work well since I go to a Catholic school.
I have no problem with religion, except when people "force it down my throat". Leave me and what I believe alone, and I will do
the same to you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
SierraBell
Velociraptor
Joined: Aug 24, 2007
Age: 16
Posts: 447
Location: On the mother earth in the USA
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Sorry, but Christianity just confuses me. 
So do a lot of other religions.
I really don't know what religion I want to follow... |
|
| Back to top |
|
Stevopedia
Velociraptor
Joined: Nov 03, 2007
Age: 17
Posts: 402
Location: Nowhere Land, Maryland, United States
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Depends on your definition of devout.  
But otherwise, I'm Catholic and love it. I could go on and on about how I love Christianity, and what needs to be/should be done to attract more people to the church, but that would take too long and probably get the thread moved to the religion forum.
_________________
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Paine, The American Crisis |
|
| Back to top |
|
gs56ca
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Oct 18, 2007
Age: 20
Posts: 28
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: I'm a Christian. |
|
|
I love Christianity. I don't really like the music, but I love God alot. Maybe if I found more heavy Christian Rock, I'd feel good. Anyways, I think religion and belief are slightly different. Religion is following a bunch of rules set out by humans who have a common belief. So, as an example religion would be the rules of the Catholic CHurch that are related to rules in the Bible. Some rules are exactly the same, and some rules are just similar to what the Bible says.
For a person , like me, who is totally motivated by my beliefs, my Bible is a reference tool. If I want to find out more about God, I use it. My relationship with God is the most the important thing that pertains to my belief. If I don't have a relationship with God, I can't grow as a Christian.
I guess you can say, I'm not a religious person, because I don't go to Church every Sunday to impress people, or to impress God. If I go to Church, it is to praise God, and have fellowship with others. To me a religious person is empty if they can't live out there beliefs in the real world. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
|
