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| I used to be an atheist but i chose a religion my parents don't follow when i was over 10 |
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| u insultd my imaginry frend u goin to hell cos an old book sed so |
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Nagy
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| Joybob wrote: | | Nagy wrote: | | Joybob wrote: | | Nagy wrote: | nah, I pass  |
Then we are enemies sir. |
we don't have to be
we are the aspie dudes  |
We can be both duh. |
civil war 
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"Agnostic" is a holder of an epistemological stance. Atheism is more of a "belief", or opinion.
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | To be honest, brainwashed atheists are even worse than brainwashed religious people. |
You can't brainwash someone into atheism, unless you show them all the scientific evidence that debunks religion. In that case, it's not brainwashing. |
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Nagy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Basshead wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | To be honest, brainwashed atheists are even worse than brainwashed religious people. |
You can't brainwash someone into atheism, unless you show them all the scientific evidence that debunks religion. In that case, it's not brainwashing. |
you mean scientific theories, it is still brainwashing
to believe that you own the only truth in universe (and here I am pointing at these scientific evidences) this is a brainwashing
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In regards to truth and "atheistic brainwashing," only one thing needs to be said:
the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If you claim there's a god, goddess, zarathustra, flying spaghetti monster, etc., it is on you to to provide the proof of its existence. Just like in a court of law, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor.
"to believe that you own the only truth in universe (and here I am pointing at these scientific evidences) this is a brainwashing."
This sentence makes no sense. Truth is not created by consensus, reality is independent of consciousness.
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Nagy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Spaceplayer wrote: | In regards to truth and "atheistic brainwashing," only one thing needs to be said:
the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If you claim there's a god, goddess, zarathustra, flying spaghetti monster, etc., it is on you to to provide the proof of its existence. Just like in a court of law, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor.
"to believe that you own the only truth in universe (and here I am pointing at these scientific evidences) this is a brainwashing."
This sentence makes no sense. Truth is not created by consensus, reality is independent of consciousness. |
is this forum a proper place to do this?!
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If I'm going to see atheists blanketly labeled as brainwashers, then yes.
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Nagy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Spaceplayer wrote: | | If I'm going to see atheists blanketly labeled as brainwashers, then yes. |
I don't think it's yours to decide
plus, no one said all atheists are brainwashed, but only who thinks that they are better than others because they discovered the "truth" as they say
truth doesn't belong to a person, maybe everyone holds a piece of it, but not the whole of it
now you are angry and you have the right to defend your "faith" which is atheism
but do you think what Basshead said wasn't offending?
thinking that religious people doesn't own a scientific evidence too, is brainwashing
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"I don't think it's yours to decide."
It's for who to decide, then? You mean the moderator? However, I didn't start the thread, and you had no problem jumping in to say that atheists are guilty of brainwashing, so don't back out now with that excuse.
"thinking that religious people doesn't own a scientific evidence too, is brainwashing"
Show me evidence of God and I'll concede.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Show me evidence of God and I'll concede. |
Genesis 3 : 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent: "Because you have done this, You [are] cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life.
the underlined statement, means that snakes and serpents by this time didn't go on their bellies like they do now
did anyone see a snake or a serpent walking on limbs? not in our life time
was there any walking snake or serpent before?! Yes
Najash rionegrina
and you can read about it on wikipedia here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najash_rionegrina
"Like a number of other Cretaceous snakes (see below), it had two hind-limbs."
and here is a picture for the fossil
now, Serpents (or whatever the name of the common ancestor of snakes), used to walk (science), and God commanded it to go on it's belly (religion), which is a Fact now, not a theory
how did Moses know this? he wasn't a paleontologist nor a scientist, how did he know?
of course he can't know alone, but only if the one who Commanded the beast to walk on it's belly, told Moses about it
there are more where this came from mate , I gave you the "evidence" that you asked for 
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Oh boy, you got me. Sorry. Not buying it.
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Nagy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Spaceplayer wrote: | | Oh boy, you got me. Sorry. Not buying it. |
because....?! 
to make it easier for you
1- I'm not buying it because there is no scientific evidence
2- I'm not buying it because this verse isn't in the Bible
3- I'm not buying it because I don't have an answer to it
pick one
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None of the above. Everyone knows that the flying spaghetti monster created walking snakes bones to fool people who believe in the historical accuracy of the Bible.
(I'll add that any value in religious stories come from their metaphorical meanings, not the proof of a flood or a virgin birth.)
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sorry for repeating
please Moderator Delete this post
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sorry for repeating
please Moderator Delete this post
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