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Catster2 Velociraptor


Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Age: 28 Posts: 467
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Dyscalculia DX? |
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I am 28 years old and was formally diagnosed as an adult (23) with Asperger's Syndrome.
I heard a program on discalculia today and I am sure that is whaT caused my maths problems at school not just my Asperger's which I was diagnosed with as an adult (23). To me it makes sense. Also I have managed to overcome or make the problems less so than when younger. I "passed" one semester of year 11 maths but never understood maths at all I only ever passed because the teacher coached me through. Also they say it is common to be a co-morbid dx with AS/autism but that some symptoms passed off as AS are not they are discalculia ie knowing left and right, concepts of distance, understanding direction.I don't have all the "symptoms" but a fair few. I am wondering if it is worth gettinmg an assessment at my stage of life given I also have my AS to deal with.
* Students might have spatial problems and difficulty aligning numbers into proper columns.
(I always had real issue with long and short division less so adding and subtracting but it was still tough)
* Have trouble with sequence, including left/right orientation. They also become confused on the sequences of past or future events.
(I have issues with knowing left from right but this has dramatically improved)
* Students typically have problems with mathematics concepts in word problems, confuse similar numbers (e.g., 7 and 9; 3 and , and have difficulty using a calculator.
(always found it much easier to understand straight maths problems rather thasn mary had 6 buckets of water and took 3 away etc)
* It is common for students with dyscalculia to have normal or accelerated language acquisition: verbal, reading, writing, and good visual memory for the printed word.
(very good reader and abstract painter)
* Students have difficulty with the abstract concepts of time and direction ie reading analogue watches etc .
(still find analogue watches confusing at times)
* Students have inconsistent results in addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Students have poor mental mathematics ability. They are poor with money and credit and cannot do financial planning or budgeting (e.g. balancing a checkbook). Short term, not long term financial thinking. May have fear of money and cash transactions. May be unable to mentally figure change due back, the amounts to pay for tips, taxes, etc
(have issues with all of these)
* When writing, reading and recalling numbers, these common mistakes are made: number additions, substitutions, transpositions, omissions, and reversals.
(have issues with this)
* Inability to grasp and remember mathematics concepts, rules formulas, sequence (order of operations), and basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division facts. Poor long-term memory (retention & retrieval) of concept mastery. Students understand material as they are being shown it, but when they must retrieve the information they become confused and are unable to do so. They may be able to perform mathematics operations one day, but draw a blank the next. May be able to do book work but can fails all tests and quizzes.
(have problems with this)
* May be unable to comprehend or "picture" mechanical processes. Lack "big picture/ whole picture" thinking. Poor ability to "visualize or picture" the location of the numbers on the face of a clock, the geographical locations of states, countries, oceans, streets, etc.
(don't have a visual memory at all)
* Poor memory for the "layout" of things. Gets lost or disoriented easily. May have a poor sense of direction, loose things often, and seem absent minded. May have difficulty grasping concepts of formal music education. Difficulty sight-reading music, learning fingering to play an instrument, knowing direction n,s,e,w even when usisg a compass etc.
(have no idea or n,s,e,w, hopeless at music)
* May have poor athletic coordination, difficulty keeping up with rapidly changing physical directions like in aerobic, dance, and exercise classes. Difficulty remembering dance step sequences rules for playing sports.
(never good at dancling got confused)
* Difficulty keeping score during games, or difficulty remembering how to keep score in games, like bowling, etc. Often looses track of whose turn it is during games, like cards and board games. Limited strategic planning ability for games, like chess.
(not an issue for me really) |
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Semi_Lost_Serenity Snowy Owl


Joined: Jun 01, 2007 Age: 26 Posts: 144 Location: Insanity
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I've suspected I've had dyscalculia - I have very poor math skills after the basics. I got through adding/substracting with visually manipulating beans (for example, if you have 10 beans, take away 3, there's 7 left in the pile). Same way I got through multiplication. However, I only know 0's, 1', 2's, 5's and 10's - the only reason I know 9 x 9 = 81 is becase my brother taught me and then 6 x 6 = 49 because my mom taught me "six times six feel on the floor. When I picked it up it was 64". I cannot tell you what 4 x 7 is without using a calculator. Some 3's are easy, but once it gets up there (3 X 8 anyone??) it's very hard. I learned how to use a calculator and since I have one on my phone - it's all good.
I have a digital clock in every room of my apartment so I "know" what time is it (otherwise, it's just meaningless).
Once I have been some where once, I can memorize it for all time. However, I have a poor concept of direction and have to give myself a lot of time when trying to go some where new (which is difficult on the bus!).
When it comes to money, I am a very conservative spender. I don't keep a budget because trying to compute all the numbers is difficult. I just make sure to get what I need and very rarily get what I want - I need to keep the number in the bank over zero and it's all good (have made some mistakes, but overall, I am good with money because I'm too scared to spend it!).
I get panicked over time - not sure if I have enough of it. So, for my last semester as a graduate student, I've made a paper chain (like the kind you make in kindergarten) so that I can "physically" handle time. It is much easier for me to guage the quantity this way then, say, a calendar (of which I have one that covers a wall of my apartment).
In 8th grade, I was reading at college level and love to paint abstractly.
All in all, I don't think a diagnosis is neccessary. I handle it very well through doing things differently. I don't take meds for my attention issues because I can mostly handle it very well (except when under stress, where it takes me 8 hours to write 3 pages!). I just think differently, erg I do things differently. It doesn't matter to me if it takes me all day to cook dinner - I know I will eat eventually! All a doc is going to tell me is how to do things differently - which I all ready do. I went to go see a doc for a formal diagnosis for my APD (auditory processing disorder) because of work - I spent $600 dollars to find out that my coping skills were what the docs recommended for managing for my APD. So, I figure whatever I need, I do it. I don't care what others think - if I think I have trouble with something, then I find a solution that works for me.
Now, if someone can tell me how to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning without having to go to bed between 8 and 9 the previous night, I'm all ears - six alarm clocks can't get me up otherwise. I'm not a conventional person - even my body doesn't respond to medications like they're supposed to (hence, why I'm not on medication for my attention issues). So, I figure why do something that doesn't work when my own ideas work better? _________________ "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference." Robert Frost
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kittenfluffies Phoenix


Joined: Feb 07, 2007 Posts: 567 Location: Gulfport, MS
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I have dyscalculia and AS. I just wish I had known when I was in school :/
If you feel like you need a formal DX then I'd go for it, but it sounds to me like you probably have it. From what you wrote, I have the same difficulties as you do. |
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asplanet Phoenix


Joined: Nov 11, 2007 Posts: 1786 Location: Cyberspace, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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This link may help:
The British Dyslexia Association - Dyscalculia, Dyslexia and Maths.
http://www.bdadyslexia.org.uk/dyscalculia.html
Quite a few of us have associated learning disorders I have dyslexia, Dyspraixa - and thinking about it could have Dyscalculia think I have enough for now, apart from as I like to say intellectually disadvantaged I have other autism associated conditions... really not so uncommon. most of us on the spectrum seem to have some think  _________________ "Believe in your self, we are who we are - as it can feel like an endless task trying to be someone else!" Alyson Bradley ... Aspergers Parallel Planet web site - http://asplanet.info/index.php
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weebo Yellow-bellied Woodpecker


Joined: Dec 27, 2005 Age: 28 Posts: 69 Location: milton keynes
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| hey i have dyslexia and i belive dyslclaula is apart of it as well, iam trying to get a DX for my AS |
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Catster2 Velociraptor


Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Age: 28 Posts: 467
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| weebo wrote: | | hey i have dyslexia and i belive dyslclaula is apart of it as well, iam trying to get a DX for my AS |
How old are you? it is so much harder in adulthood isn't it. I am going to call a place in Melbourne on Monday that deals with it. |
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