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codarac
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| codarac wrote: | | Howcome countries like Japan and South Korea are not letting hundreds of thousands of Third Worlders immigrate, but countries like Britain and France are? |
Japan is a racist country. |
What's your opinion on Israel? "Racist" or not? |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| codarac wrote: |
What's your opinion on Israel? "Racist" or not? |
Jewish; we aren't allowed to question our overlords. |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| codarac wrote: | | Orwell wrote: |
| codarac wrote: | | Howcome countries like Japan and South Korea are not letting hundreds of thousands of Third Worlders immigrate, but countries like Britain and France are? |
Japan is a racist country. |
What's your opinion on Israel? "Racist" or not? |
Ah, I see you chose to latch onto the one potentially "politically incorrect" thing I said and use it against me. I'm not an anti-semite. I also don't have anything Japanese culture in particular, but Japan is not welcoming of other races. It is ingrained in their culture, and it was part of the traditional Shinto religion. That Japan as a whole has racial biases isn't really disputed. You tell me if Israel behaves in the same way, or for the same reasons.
I assume AG was being sarcastic, but if not, I'll go ahead and say that I find his comment rather absurd.
No responses to everything else though?
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MissPickwickian
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | peebo wrote: | | who makes the nazis? |
Women, women gave birth to them, therefore women are responsible, therefore women are evil!!! Makes perfect sense!!  |
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codarac
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | codarac wrote: | | Orwell wrote: |
| codarac wrote: | | Howcome countries like Japan and South Korea are not letting hundreds of thousands of Third Worlders immigrate, but countries like Britain and France are? |
Japan is a racist country. |
What's your opinion on Israel? "Racist" or not? |
Ah, I see you chose to latch onto the one potentially "politically incorrect" thing I said and use it against me. I'm not an anti-semite. I also don't have anything Japanese culture in particular, but Japan is not welcoming of other races. It is ingrained in their culture, and it was part of the traditional Shinto religion. That Japan as a whole has racial biases isn't really disputed. You tell me if Israel behaves in the same way, or for the same reasons. |
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No responses to everything else though? |
I think I have some responses to make on your other points. But sometimes I think it's best to take one point at a time. And you haven't answered my question - you've just thrown it back at me. You'd make a good politician!
You called Japan a racist country.
Do you think Israel is a racist country?
A "no comment" will do. |
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Orwell
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I think I have some responses to make on your other points. But sometimes I think it's best to take one point at a time. And you haven't answered my question - you've just thrown it back at me. You'd make a good politician!
You called Japan a racist country.
Do you think Israel is a racist country?
A "no comment" will do. |
Oh, now THAT'S a good insult. To [attempt to] answer your question, I don't know if I can as easily come to a judgment on Israel. I kind of think that, because of the pressures of living in a hostile region, the Israeli state has been forced, for reasons of self-preservation, to develop in directions that might be contrary to the intents of its founders. (ie militarism) If Israel could be considered racist (I don't really know enough about how they treat foreigners to say if they are or not) it's probably more justified than in Japan, because in Israel they are surrounded by people who want them dead. Japan's racism is more based on an ancestral belief that the Japanese race is superior.
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Awesomelyglorious
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I love you. |
Thanks, I love being loved.  |
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Fred2670
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I respect Japans ethno-centrism. I believe every race or culture has the right to refuse the pollution of its gene pool. I believe that everyone (even Anglos) deserve the right to be proud of who or what they are, and even fight when necessary to preserve it.
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Dokken
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| Israel enjoys breaking international law. |
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Orwell
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| Dokken wrote: | | Israel enjoys breaking international law. |
To be fair, most countries do. Otherwise there wouldn't be much of a reason to have international law in the first place.
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MissPickwickian
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| Orwell wrote: | | Dokken wrote: | | Israel enjoys breaking international law. |
To be fair, most countries do. Otherwise there wouldn't be much of a reason to have international law in the first place. |
One mo' time---and sing it with feelin'!!
What the Germans did to the Jews
might be really photogenic
in an oh-my-god-how-tragic-was-that wa-ay-ay
but every nation in this great world
has done something they're not proud of
in every single country mass murder will have its day
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Awesomelyglorious
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| MissPickwickian wrote: |
One mo' time---and sing it with feelin'!!
What the Germans did to the Jews
might be really photogenic
in an oh-my-god-how-tragic-was-that wa-ay-ay
but every nation in this great world
has done something they're not proud of
in every single country mass murder will have its day |
What are the requirements to be a country?
coun-try (kuntre)n.pl. coun-tries. 1. A nation or state. The territory of a nation or state; land. The people of a nation or state; populace:
na-tion (nashn)n. 1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country. 2. The government of a sovereign state. 3. A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" (Robert Conquest). 4. A federation or tribe, especially one composed of Native Americans. The territory occupied by such a federation or tribe.
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Excerpted from American Heritage Talking Dictionary
Copyright © 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
So, if countries are nations or states, and a nation is a relatively large group of people organized under a single, independent government, or a people who share common customs, origins, history and frequently language. Then, what if I got my hypothetical family together, we started a temporary secession from the US, organized under a single government, never committed any genocides and dissolved ourselves the next day. Would we then have succeeded as a nation/country without a day of mass-murder? Just curious as I want to find a way to easily prove the song wrong. |
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Quatermass
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I cannot say Australia is free of that.
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skafather84
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here's a controversial side that i really haven't seen much support for but maybe there would be someone who has more information on this take?
the zionists assisted in rounding up jews in german occupied territories.
anyone hear anything like that? i've heard it before but i've yet to see any really solid fact on it. |
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MissPickwickian
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| skafather84 wrote: | here's a controversial side that i really haven't seen much support for but maybe there would be someone who has more information on this take?
the zionists assisted in rounding up jews in german occupied territories.
anyone hear anything like that? i've heard it before but i've yet to see any really solid fact on it. |
Jewish officials in the occupied territories have a terrible reputation for making deals with the Nazis, along the lines of "If I give you 2,000 of my Jews, you'll leave the ghetto as a whole alone." The major Jewish organization (and the only one allowed to exist) at the time was the Judenrat. Each ghetto had its own chapter. Some chapters, particularly that in Warsaw, tried to keep as many Jews from being deported as possible. In contrast, we have the infamous case of Mr. Rumkowski at Lodz, a Judenrat leader who tried to guarantee his own survival by making Lodz into a "model ghetto," which implied doing whatever Germany asked, traipsing around in a Nazi-style uniform sans regalia, and sending out squads of tough Jews to physically abuse and intimidate the rest of the population. The Lodz ghetto did indeed last longer than the others, but not very long; Rumkowski himself died in Auschwitz in 1944.
I do not know if any of these semi-collaborators were Zionists. Jewishness is racial and religious; Zionism is ideological. Zionists believe that the Jews should have Israel, basically. As a matter of fact, the behavior of the Judenrat seems to indicate a desire to remain in Europe.
The question of Jewish collaboration is controversial. It is no question that the Judenrat erred on the side of Germany much of the time, but the organization itself was under constant threat. The Germans gave them ultimatums like "If you don't bring us a trainload of children within the next two days, we'll take a shortcut and liquidate the entire ghetto, including you." The Judenrat was constantly forced to respond to dilemmas rarely seen outside ethics studies textbooks. What degree of responsibility do they share, then? For the answer, we must venture deep into the bowels of philosophy. As I have some things to do, I wish that everyone else would carry on without me as of now. I will be interested to see what people say.
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