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crackedpleasures
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 Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: The United States of Europe |
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A question for mainly the European members.
The EU expands and borders in Europe become more and more a theoretical thing. In practice we move around without frontiers, can settle everywhere in the EU we want, business and law become Europeanised, European law stands above national law, ...
Would you like the idea of Europe totally uniting and becoming one country with regional autonomy for the states (a bit like the USA or Canada) or do you think this is a bad idea?
Some pro's:
- Europe is already very powerful economically and military, if we would unite the continent and found one big European state it would probably be the new number 1 superpower even becoming more powerful than the USA
- de facto Europe has already become more and more united, so erasing the borders in law as well would be a logical next step
- by uniting the continent, Europe would stand united in all important things such as defense, lawmaking, foreign affairs, etc and the internal differences would disappear step by step
Some contra's:
- the many different languages in the EU would form a problem, it would take a while to anglicise the continent linguistically IF the people in for example France, Germany, Spain and Poland would want to switch to English at all
- people in some countries may be too patriottic to want to give up national sovereignity and create a "European identity"
- especially with many eastern European members having come into the EU, it will be a question mark if the countries are already united in ideology enough to function as one big state
Of course, you can debate about the pro's and contra's I guess, for example: would having several languages spread across the states stop a United States of Europe from functioning? Most arguments pro/contra are debatable.
Would you support a USE?
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Confused-Fish
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Location: Bournemouth, England
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It wouldn't surprise me if Europe did go that way, they are already wanting to build an European army.
It probably wouldn't be a good thing though. |
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ouinon
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I like the idea.
Language issue interesting one, because the most internationally useful in europe are english and spanish so there would still be two languages to deal with, just like in parts of the USA, even after the anachronistic small ones were reduced to mere regional curiosities! ( which the french would hate of course!). Germany has been preparing for this for over 30 years though; they learn english from early on, and conscientiously, unlike the french.
But interestingly it is the UK who have been most resistant to joining a real european union, still refusing to use the euro even though almost every other european country has taken it on now, which most people on the continent think is pretty silly/ridiculous, and typical of Britain wanting to be big friends with the USA, and stand out as different from everybody else.
I think this may be the sign of a british inferiority complex! Having lived in France for 10 years now this british lack of belief/faith in, or respect for, their own country has become obvious to me. Most french are amazingly, considering how little they have to be proud of, proud of themselves compared to many british who constantly criticise/denigrate the UK.
If only europe would open its frontiers to the rest of the world though; it's not as if the population is getting any younger or more vibrant etc at the moment.
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ToadOfSteel
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Joined: Sep 24, 2007
Age: 20
Posts: 1968
Location: New Jersey
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Looks like we're going to have 1984 in 2024...
I mean, look at it this way:
US (+canada + mexico + MAYBE great britain) = Oceania
EU = eurasia
China = eastasia
And then we get to duke it out in the middle east... |
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