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snake321
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 Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: white slaves |
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This is an article, more than anything, to piss off the PC police. Yes, it is an article to piss off the PC lunatics. But, it is factual documented history. It's about whites who were slaves to arabs. Point here, showing that whites too were sometimes victims of racism and oppression. And calling matters is not as simple as "siding with majorities" or "siding with minorities". Point here, skin color does not make someone automatically right or wrong. There are good and bad of every color and every gender, and everyone has blood on thier hands through history. And above all, the moral of this post is also to state that, people should be judged as sovereign individuals, accountable for their own individual actions. I'm not gonna hate arabs because their ancestors enslaved mine thousands of years ago. The same reason I shouldn't be judged for what my ancestors did to others 200 yrs ago. The simple fact that I am an individual, not responsible for what happened in the past, long before I was born. Arabs today aren't responsible for what happened thousands of years ago either.
Read this link, it's about the white slave trade by North Africans, long before whites did anything to anyone else (so history can't be used as an excuse here for reverse bigotry):
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/09/the_untold_stor.php |
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Psychlone
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| I seen a documentary on this and how pirates from North Africa would raid areas like Ireland and England and would haul off entire villages of men, women, and children. |
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Aridarr
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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There are other reasons to hate the Arabs.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: To The Shores Of Tripoli |
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To The Shores Of Tripoli
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040705-658359,00.html
(the link to the TIME Magazine piece takes a while to load, but it's a great article)
"Within days of his March 1801 inauguration as the third President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson ordered a naval and military expedition to North Africa, without the authorization of Congress, to put down regimes involved in slavery and piracy. The war was the first in which the U.S. flag was carried and planted overseas; it saw the baptism by fire of the U.S. Marine Corps — whose anthem boasts of action on "the shores of Tripoli" — and it prefigured later struggles with both terrorism and jihad.
The Barbary States of North Africa — Algiers, Tunis, Morocco and Tripoli (today's Libya) — had for centuries sustained themselves by preying on the maritime commerce of others. Income was raised by direct theft, the extortion of bribes or "protection" and the capture of crews and passengers to be used as slaves. The historian Robert Davis, in his book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800, estimates that as many as 1.25 million Europeans and Americans were enslaved. The Barbary raiders — so called because they were partly of Berber origin — struck as far north as England and Ireland. It appears, for example, that almost every inhabitant of the Irish village of Baltimore was carried off in 1631. Samuel Pepys and Daniel Defoe both mention the frightening trade in their writings; at that time, pamphlets and speeches by survivors and escaped slaves had a huge influence on the popular imagination. James Thomson's famously rousing 1740 song Rule Britannia, with its chorus about how Britons "never shall be slaves," was a direct allusion to the Barbary terrorism.
Jefferson was appalled by this practice from an early stage of his career. In 1784 he wrote to James Madison about the Barbary depredations, saying, "We ought to begin a naval power, if we mean to carry on our commerce. Can we begin it on a more honorable occasion or with a weaker foe?" He added that John Paul Jones, the naval hero of the Revolutionary War, "with half a dozen frigates" could subdue the slave kingdoms of North Africa.
The year 1784 saw the American brig Betsey, with her crew of 10, captured by a Moroccan corsair while sailing with a cargo of salt from Spain to Philadelphia. Soon after, Algerian pirates grabbed the Dauphin and the Maria on the high seas of the Atlantic and took their crews captive. The situation was becoming worse because the British fleet had withdrawn protection of American vessels after the former colony declared its independence, and the U.S. had no navy of its own. Secretary of State John Jay decided to do what the European powers did and pay tribute to the Barbary sultans in exchange for safe passage as well as for the return of captured American slaves..."
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SilverProteus
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Whites made slaves out of whites as well...where does that leave us?
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snake321
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| SilverProteus wrote: | | Whites made slaves out of whites as well...where does that leave us? |
And blacks enslaved blacks as well, in fact that still goes on in Africa today. Slavery of coarse is a bigger issue than race, it's always been around. In fact our entire economy was built on slave labor, and it still is today (they call it "outsourcing")....... And today we now have a growing world crime market where women and children are grabbed off the streets and forced into prostitution and slavery. Even as far back as 200 yrs ago, there are records of jews being slaves in egypt.
But the PC police always try to make it seem so black and white as whites and men are the devil incarnates and my point here was to show an example where whites were the victims of racist oppression. |
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snake321
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Aridarr wrote: | | There are other reasons to hate the Arabs. |
Why hate arabs? There are --some-- arabs that are bad, but I prefer to take everyone on an individual basis myself...... I mean ok, 9/11 was bad, but that wasn't every arab that ever lived, you can't just judge an entire race of people based on --some-- of their actions.... My good friend fahad who works at the mini mart/gas station up the road, I've got loads of respect for that man. He came here and worked his ass off every day doing what he enjoys, he's nice to everyone and he has a great since of humor. He's not the least bit violent.
Er, are you in Europe Aridarr? I could see what would make you say that if you lived in Europe actually.... I hear PCness has gone insane, especially in the nordic kingdoms, we're you risk being locked up for a hate crime if you report a minority for a crime against you. From what I understand arabs are the number one minority over there. Even still, I know it's difficult in that situation and I could understand what would make you feel suspicious around them given that situation, but I still don't think ever single arab is bad.... During slavery here in the US there were a few good white people who helped blacks lay low , did not own slaves, in the underground railroad movement. So I'm sure not all arabs are bad. |
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snake321
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: To The Shores Of Tripoli |
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| ja wrote: | To The Shores Of Tripoli
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040705-658359,00.html
(the link to the TIME Magazine piece takes a while to load, but it's a great article)
"Within days of his March 1801 inauguration as the third President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson ordered a naval and military expedition to North Africa, without the authorization of Congress, to put down regimes involved in slavery and piracy. The war was the first in which the U.S. flag was carried and planted overseas; it saw the baptism by fire of the U.S. Marine Corps — whose anthem boasts of action on "the shores of Tripoli" — and it prefigured later struggles with both terrorism and jihad.
The Barbary States of North Africa — Algiers, Tunis, Morocco and Tripoli (today's Libya) — had for centuries sustained themselves by preying on the maritime commerce of others. Income was raised by direct theft, the extortion of bribes or "protection" and the capture of crews and passengers to be used as slaves. The historian Robert Davis, in his book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800, estimates that as many as 1.25 million Europeans and Americans were enslaved. The Barbary raiders — so called because they were partly of Berber origin — struck as far north as England and Ireland. It appears, for example, that almost every inhabitant of the Irish village of Baltimore was carried off in 1631. Samuel Pepys and Daniel Defoe both mention the frightening trade in their writings; at that time, pamphlets and speeches by survivors and escaped slaves had a huge influence on the popular imagination. James Thomson's famously rousing 1740 song Rule Britannia, with its chorus about how Britons "never shall be slaves," was a direct allusion to the Barbary terrorism.
Jefferson was appalled by this practice from an early stage of his career. In 1784 he wrote to James Madison about the Barbary depredations, saying, "We ought to begin a naval power, if we mean to carry on our commerce. Can we begin it on a more honorable occasion or with a weaker foe?" He added that John Paul Jones, the naval hero of the Revolutionary War, "with half a dozen frigates" could subdue the slave kingdoms of North Africa.
The year 1784 saw the American brig Betsey, with her crew of 10, captured by a Moroccan corsair while sailing with a cargo of salt from Spain to Philadelphia. Soon after, Algerian pirates grabbed the Dauphin and the Maria on the high seas of the Atlantic and took their crews captive. The situation was becoming worse because the British fleet had withdrawn protection of American vessels after the former colony declared its independence, and the U.S. had no navy of its own. Secretary of State John Jay decided to do what the European powers did and pay tribute to the Barbary sultans in exchange for safe passage as well as for the return of captured American slaves..."
(click on the link to read the whole thing) |
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SilverProteus
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| snake321 wrote: | | SilverProteus wrote: | | Whites made slaves out of whites as well...where does that leave us? |
And blacks enslaved blacks as well, in fact that still goes on in Africa today. Slavery of coarse is a bigger issue than race, it's always been around. In fact our entire economy was built on slave labor, and it still is today (they call it "outsourcing")....... And today we now have a growing world crime market where women and children are grabbed off the streets and forced into prostitution and slavery. Even as far back as 200 yrs ago, there are records of jews being slaves in egypt.
But the PC police always try to make it seem so black and white as whites and men are the devil incarnates and my point here was to show an example where whites were the victims of racist oppression. |
Some people overly focus on just one aspect, leaving the rest in the dark for their purposes of magnifying their own, as it is in this case.
Minority groups doing this against a group that represent those in power might be considered an attempt at "counter power"? Is it anymore than that?
It's as if racism exists one way throughout history - whites opressing balcks. I'm not a racist, and don't believe in superior races, but it's ridiculous.
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snake321
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Well... if I'm not mistaking, I think arabs were the dominant race at one time. I know turks and arabs had a very strong rule until the fall of the Ottoman Empire. European navies were not strong enough to fight off the arab navies though during the times of these slave raids, mentioned in my article. |
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SilverProteus
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Before the Renaissance?
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Psychlone
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| snake321 wrote: | | Well... if I'm not mistaking, I think arabs were the dominant race at one time. I know turks and arabs had a very strong rule until the fall of the Ottoman Empire. European navies were not strong enough to fight off the arab navies though during the times of these slave raids, mentioned in my article. |
Actually, the Knights of St. John were able to fight off the Arab navies rather well. They managed to keep the Barbary pirates in check from their fortress at Malta. Things went wrong, though, when Napoleon stopped there on his way to invading Egypt. He asked the Knights to let him into the harbor so he could get supplies, and the knights being good Christians and all couldn't refuse, but it was actually a trick and Napoleon took over the island and the Knights went into exile and later got their own building in Vienna, I believe.
But things started to get really bad without the Knights keeping things in check. With them gone, there was a power vacuum and things got out of hand up until Jefferson went to war and shut down their operations. |
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NewportBeachDude
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| SilverProteus wrote: | | Whites made slaves out of whites as well...where does that leave us? |
Thank you! Since we're pointing out who enslaved who, let's not forget the early, White, American settlers had white, endentured, slaves. They were bought and sold on the auction block just like African slaves. Eventually, Whites did away with that when African slaves came along because they didn't want Africans to think they could buy their way out like Whites and didn't want Africans to think they were equal to White slaves.
For years, the only difference between the White slave and African slave is that Whites could buy their way out and that wasn't always an option for Africans. |
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NewportBeachDude
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| snake321 wrote: | | SilverProteus wrote: | | Whites made slaves out of whites as well...where does that leave us? |
And blacks enslaved blacks as well, in fact that still goes on in Africa today. Slavery of coarse is a bigger issue than race, it's always been around. In fact our entire economy was built on slave labor, and it still is today (they call it "outsourcing |
There is a difference here between slavery and outsourcing. Outsourcing is actually raising the standard of living and education in third world countries so quickly that they are now rivaling middle-class Americans for jobs everywhere. The wages that we scuff at, escalate Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, and citizens of Bangladesh into an entirely different class of living that nearly mirrors the standard of living of the working-middle class here in America. I'm not talking about the seedy, dehumanizing sweatshots that operated undercover and run and hide when the Feds come knocking. I'm talking about legit companies doing business with Fortune 500 companies who are literally changing the lives of millions in the third world.
So, let's not get those two confused. Outsourcing beats picking cotton on Master Johnson's plantation anyday.
Yes, everyone has enslaved everyone at some point. Afircans have enslaved Africans. Whites have enslaved everybody on the planet. I think it's important to embrace the past, but use what we've learned to push towards the future. It's sad, but I don't think African Americans get that. As much as I respect their struggles and many aspect of their culture, the greatest message of hope got lost along the way. They arose out of slavery to only enslave themselves again with gang violence, crack addition, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, 50% graudation rate, and crime. They are doing more to keep themselves enslaved right now than early Americans ever did. And, the kind of slavery I see now may not have a recovery. |
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