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MissConstrue
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Agnostic here. I don't really believe in putting a group of people down whether they're of faith or not. Extremity in anything can be damaging because not one people are going to be the same.
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Sedaka
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | Seeing resurrection from the dead firsthand kinda took away that atheist epiphany from me... of course I wasn't taught to believe in Saint Nick aside from that historical dude, so I have less association of bullshot with whatnot to get in my way of accepting God....
| JimmyJazz wrote: | Shocking, another teenager who has figured out all the truths of the universe.
I've spent time with every major religion and most not-so-well-known, and I've considered atheism too. Although atheists will in the most part be very quick to tell you NOTHING ELSE EVEN MAKES SENSE GOD IS AN IMAGINARY FRIEND LAWLERSKATES, I honestly came out of these studies thinking Atheism doesn't make much sense.
Oh well, takes all kinds. |
JimmyJazz, I think you cool that you can reject their propaganda... but what DO you accept as factual? |
whose resurrection did you see firsthand?
edit: i've walked on that aqueduct in your new avie 
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JimmyJazz
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: |
JimmyJazz, I think you cool that you can reject their propaganda... but what DO you accept as factual? |
Sorry, missed this earlier.
I accept that there is no scientific explanation as to -why- all the 'rules' of the universe hold true. They tell me how those rules work, show me those rules at work...but what force set those rules in place? What force holds all of it together? What force started all of this in the first place?
Science cannot and will not explain that, and for all their would-be intelligencia, the militant atheist crowd remain painfully narrow-minded and will put up walls of ignorance and crass insults at any time they're confronted with the notion that their arrogant world-view is incorrect.
I believe no specific religion is correct or incorrect. Religion, after all, is imperfect men and women attempting to somehow behold what is perfect...and so I believe everyone is seeing the same Divine force in their own way. Facets of the same jewel. I don't care much for the organized religions themselves, so much as I do the teachings...as I find any organized belief will have a great number of followers who follow it in name only. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| JimmyJazz wrote: | | I accept that there is no scientific explanation as to -why- all the 'rules' of the universe hold true. They tell me how those rules work, show me those rules at work...but what force set those rules in place? What force holds all of it together? What force started all of this in the first place? |
THE GOD OF THE GAPS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM!! |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | | JimmyJazz wrote: | | I accept that there is no scientific explanation as to -why- all the 'rules' of the universe hold true. They tell me how those rules work, show me those rules at work...but what force set those rules in place? What force holds all of it together? What force started all of this in the first place? |
THE GOD OF THE GAPS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM!! |
I don't think he was referring as much to what we still don't know (such minutiae as how exactly certain metabolic pathways may have developed and whatnot) as explanations of, for example, why F=ma. It's true, we know it's true, we can see it in action... but why does the universe operate in such a fashion that it is true? Science can't explain that (and doesn't try to). Science tells us what, and sometimes how, but never why.
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skafather84
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| Orwell wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | JimmyJazz wrote: | | I accept that there is no scientific explanation as to -why- all the 'rules' of the universe hold true. They tell me how those rules work, show me those rules at work...but what force set those rules in place? What force holds all of it together? What force started all of this in the first place? |
THE GOD OF THE GAPS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM!! |
I don't think he was referring as much to what we still don't know (such minutiae as how exactly certain metabolic pathways may have developed and whatnot) as explanations of, for example, why F=ma. It's true, we know it's true, we can see it in action... but why does the universe operate in such a fashion that it is true? Science can't explain that (and doesn't try to). Science tells us what, and sometimes how, but never why. |
there is no why. there are no motives. existence just is. don't personify it. |
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oscuria
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| Orwell wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | JimmyJazz wrote: | | I accept that there is no scientific explanation as to -why- all the 'rules' of the universe hold true. They tell me how those rules work, show me those rules at work...but what force set those rules in place? What force holds all of it together? What force started all of this in the first place? |
THE GOD OF THE GAPS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM!! |
I don't think he was referring as much to what we still don't know (such minutiae as how exactly certain metabolic pathways may have developed and whatnot) as explanations of, for example, why F=ma. It's true, we know it's true, we can see it in action... but why does the universe operate in such a fashion that it is true? Science can't explain that (and doesn't try to). Science tells us what, and sometimes how, but never why. |
Where would atheists be (in line) if "Science" began to answer the why? For now there are no answers, but what could they possibly think up? String theory? Even that is pseudoscience, No? |
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Orwell
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| skafather84 wrote: | | there is no why. there are no motives. existence just is. don't personify it. |
I wasn't personifying anything, nor ascribing motives. Why do two opposite charges attract? I know that they do, I have no clue why. I am curious. This is a question about the natural world which simply is unanswerable (as far as I know at least).
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skafather84
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| Orwell wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | there is no why. there are no motives. existence just is. don't personify it. |
I wasn't personifying anything, nor ascribing motives. Why do two opposite charges attract? I know that they do, I have no clue why. I am curious. This is a question about the natural world which simply is unanswerable (as far as I know at least). |
so far it's unanswerable but things don't stay that way forever. which is what jimmyjazz was implying.
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Odin
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| skafather84 wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | JimmyJazz wrote: | | I accept that there is no scientific explanation as to -why- all the 'rules' of the universe hold true. They tell me how those rules work, show me those rules at work...but what force set those rules in place? What force holds all of it together? What force started all of this in the first place? |
THE GOD OF THE GAPS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM!! |
I don't think he was referring as much to what we still don't know (such minutiae as how exactly certain metabolic pathways may have developed and whatnot) as explanations of, for example, why F=ma. It's true, we know it's true, we can see it in action... but why does the universe operate in such a fashion that it is true? Science can't explain that (and doesn't try to). Science tells us what, and sometimes how, but never why. |
there is no why. there are no motives. existence just is. don't personify it. |
Exactly. "God" is merely an anthropomorphizing of Nature, derived from an animistic imposition of human "social reality" with it's notions of purpose, design, meaning, etc. onto a physical reality where human social psychology does not apply. This is why in another thread I referred to the notion of "God" being an insult to Nature because it debases physical reality by trying to fit it into human "social reality."
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richardbenson
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| the title to this topic is true! |
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oscuria
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| richardbenson wrote: | | the title to this topic is true! |
No it is not. Santa gives presents. I have yet to find any material worth underneath a tree. |
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Jennifer_Caroline
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Just A Thought.... |
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I believe in a mixture of
Buddhism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
Existentialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism
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Humanism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism
I also add my own spin to things. I think that whilst I personally do not believe in a God, Goddess, Deity or whatever, people who do should be given respect for their beliefs, because tolerance is something that is so important in this world.
I do NOT, however, support beliefs that encourage people to live what I believe to be inappropriate lives. Scientology comes near the top of my list. However, that is just my honest opinion, and I'm not going to act upon anything and deliberately hurt people, because that would make me a HUGE coward, and also a hypocrite.
As for whether or not God is like Father Christmas, well, that is a disrespectful view, in my opinion. After all, Father Christmas originates from Christianity, with Saint Nicholas being a Christian Saint. So Father Christmas is a Christian tradition, though the stories about him have been manipulated for various purposes over the years, and have turned into the commercial carnage that is Christmas as we know it, today.
For Christians, God isn't a story or something/someone make believe. He is real. Whilst people are entitled to their opinions, there should be some rain check on what they publicly express. After all, I know a lot of Christians who tolerate Atheists and their beliefs, or lack of. |
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JimmyJazz
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| Orwell wrote: |
I don't think he was referring as much to what we still don't know (such minutiae as how exactly certain metabolic pathways may have developed and whatnot) as explanations of, for example, why F=ma. It's true, we know it's true, we can see it in action... but why does the universe operate in such a fashion that it is true? Science can't explain that (and doesn't try to). Science tells us what, and sometimes how, but never why. |
This is exactly what I was referring to. |
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merr
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: God is Santa for adults |
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| The_Cinephile wrote: | Anyone else hate religion and the ignorance it stands for?
I believed in God at one point in my life.
As soon as I got old enough, I realized that God was just an illusion my mind needed to rationalize the world.
I made a complete turn-around, and now that I'm an Atheist, I'm happier and healthier that ever.
I no longer worry about going to hell or screwing up my relationship with an imaginary being.
I no longer feel guilty when I do something that the church believes is wrong.
Essentially, Atheism has freed me from my spiritual bondage.
Anyone else have the same experience? |
Did you ever stop to think that for some people their life without a beleif in something would be how your life was when you did believe? Life would lose it's meaning, would seem too finite, might even be too overwhelming to bear day by day. Perhaps faith frees some from mortal bondage, whereas they wouldnt get too much happiness from sleeping around or not smoking anyway? |
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