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makuranososhi
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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: Every Child Left Behind |
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| Quote: | Bridget Williams, the principal of Mountain Grove Middle School, maintains that very bright children do not deserve specially tailored classes, especially when the district is focusing on bringing all children up to a minimum standard of competence.
''Are they more important than a special-ed kid?'' Ms. Williams asked in an interview with other administrators. Some teachers did not like to release their smartest students from regular classes, and one perennial dispute involved whether or not students who attended the classes for the gifted should have to make up homework from their regular classrooms.
Ms. Williams said it was not so much the education, but merely status, that gifted children lost when their program was cut in September. ''They lost the title,'' she said. |
Complete article at: NY Times - Disappearing Gifted Programs
I'm appalled and angry... the system of education to the lowest common denominator is the very practice that has lowered the performance levels of our students for decades. Not everyone has the same capabilities, yet the expectations are flat and universal. Disgusting, and her comments leave me steaming from the ears. I will try to post a more cogent response later. Any thoughts?
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Fedaykin
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Awful, and that's sadly also been the governing mentality here in Sweden for decades. These people want us all to be a big collective with no natural differences, and they suppress about the only thing worth mentioning mankind has ever created.. The development of a higher intellect. |
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Jeyradan
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It's nice that society is so bent on mass-producing a huge cohort of those who meet the minimum standard. I'm glad we're going to have so many bodies to fill those (necessary and certainly appreciated) jobs. What a shame, though, that we are apparently no longer interested in fostering cures for disease, answers to environmental problems, breakthroughs in theoretical sciences, or works of art. Not only will we lose the potential of these children to be more than average, they may in fact become less - no one can expect them to participate in something, namely generic education, that neither interests nor develops them in any way. Welcome to the lowest common denominator. Welcome to a world where one person's limit is society's law.
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pakled
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you wanna know the real reason? school funding is based on 'no child left behind', so if you have one falling behind, you have every incentive to talk them into dropping out of high school. There's a rewards; the child is no longer counted in your goals, so you get to keep the money.
So if you're 'gifted', they don't have to worry about you dropping out as much. It's the marginal ones that make or break the bank. |
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Anemone
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All I really learned in school was how to twiddle my thumbs. Total waste of taxpayers' money.
The real culprit here is the industrial era model of education - all ages together in the same classroom at the same age learning the same thing at the same pace - the assembly line. It's an extremely inefficient way of teaching anybody, and definitely a bad idea for anyone who is not in the middle of the pack.
I really wish I'd gotten Montessori from kindergarten to the end of high school. I don't even know if it's available outside of Equador, or Peru, or wherever it was I read about it. Montessori is a systems theory approach to education. It's probably over the head of most educators today, sadly. |
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gamefreak
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"No Child Left Behind" has to be the biggest joke ever. Not only is the Bush Administration wasting Millions of tax dollars its also having these negative effects.
1. Keeping gifted students in mainstream classes until they are bored to tears.
2. Turn Gifted Students into complete underachievers and overall misbehaved monguls.
3. Making Special Ed students further behind the other kids by putting them in classrooms that don't meet thier education needs.[ E.G- Putting an illiterate student in an honors english course.]
4. Making kids believe that a Fair, Politically Correct Society awaits them after they finish high school and get into the real world.
5. Rewarding Schools with all gifted students [Like a Special School] while punishing your average public high school w/ a "C" Average student population. |
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t0
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| Isn't the government's job to provide equal service to everyone? Wouldn't it be discrimination otherwise? |
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gamefreak
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| t0 wrote: | | Isn't the government's job to provide equal service to everyone? Wouldn't it be discrimination otherwise? |
What are you going to do. Put a Mentally Challenged student in an gifted class. |
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Inventor
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We have a surplus of educated. Gifted means college bound. Public education should be for the public, those who need only highschool with a functional Eighth Grade at a C-. Enough to join the Army.
Private prep schools can produce enough University graduates to run the country. They might not be the brightest, but they come from the right class background.
Real smart people, scientists, engineers, can be hired in China and India.
Here the religious right has worked it's way into control of the State University system, and put Jesus first. Good Christian Saved kids will get all the degrees. They will then get all the jobs of controling the masses of damned sinners. They were big in homeschooling, which kept the kids out of universities.
It is like Oral Roberts starting a medical school, to produce Christian Doctors.
Education does show who will rule the future, and is the most political thing.
It is as pakled said, those the struggle to get through eight grade, are pushed out in ninth and tenth. Then a much smaller class size, whiter, with higher grades in eleventh and twelth. They are selected for jail, the graduates for the army, and Christian home schoolers, Christian Acadamy, for University.
Schools are teachers unions avoiding work. Standards are kept low across the board, so overall, America ranks at the bottom of industrial nations in education. We were holding our own with Albania and Bulgaria, but without Gifted classes, we will join Somolia and Afganistan.
We will have a monied class for managment and national government, and a Theocracy for State and local Government. Southeren Baptist have been targeting all levels of local government, and local economics, to make sure non members cannot survive. Ein Volk, Ein, church, ruling for god.
Local control of Public Education is putting everyone elses education in their hands. They want everyone else to move away. Without education and jobs, they will leave or go to jail. Then they will breed their children, and have a perpetual church state. Your tax dollars at work.
Education to the extentent of your ability, nationally supported through college, would cause those of merit to rise. Those of merit are not the right color or religion, so we have this system.
Fifty years ago it was the same, not only were some pushed out to hold menial jobs for life, I had the highest reading comprehension and science scores, and was pushed out so the right kind of kids would have the highest scores. It is social engineering from a white christian teacher point of view.
New Orleans was no accident, fully intentional, got rid of 125,000 Black voters. Relief supplies went to faith based groups, who kept them, then sent them to their South America Missions. The State recently refused $85 million in FEMA home supplies, for they did not want people moving back to New Orleans.
Funds for Black New Orleans went to white people, and they kept them. Houses people own and are fixing are being condemed and torn down, because they are "Contaminated". Disaster victums were bussed out of state and dumped. The UN says they have a right to return.
New Orleans has turned very white.
Public education is but one facet of race/class warfare. This is Ethnic Cleansing.
The same tactic is keeping schools closed in Iraq, for five years now, no education, for it was being taught in Arabic. No education destroys the people of the future. Saddam kept the Universities open.
This is the reason the Old Constitution called for a seperation of Church and State, and had a Bill of Rights not subject to majority rule. The Rule of Law not of men.
"He who will part with essential liberty for temporary safety, will wind up with neither." Ben Franklin |
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t0
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| gamefreak wrote: | | t0 wrote: | | Isn't the government's job to provide equal service to everyone? Wouldn't it be discrimination otherwise? |
What are you going to do. Put a Mentally Challenged student in an gifted class. |
No. But I'm suggesting that perhaps there should be a limit on government expectations and socialization. Parents of gifted students are free to provide their children with the additional education they feel the system is missing. |
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roygerdodger
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Location: High Point, NC
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| gamefreak wrote: | "No Child Left Behind" has to be the biggest joke ever. Not only is the Bush Administration wasting Millions of tax dollars its also having these negative effects.
1. Keeping gifted students in mainstream classes until they are bored to tears.
2. Turn Gifted Students into complete underachievers and overall misbehaved monguls.
3. Making Special Ed students further behind the other kids by putting them in classrooms that don't meet thier education needs.[ E.G- Putting an illiterate student in an honors english course.]
4. Making kids believe that a Fair, Politically Correct Society awaits them after they finish high school and get into the real world.
5. Rewarding Schools with all gifted students [Like a Special School] while punishing your average public high school w/ a "C" Average student population. |
I can relate to most of those.
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gamefreak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Inventor wrote: | We have a surplus of educated. Gifted means college bound. Public education should be for the public, those who need only highschool with a functional Eighth Grade at a C-. Enough to join the Army.
Private prep schools can produce enough University graduates to run the country. They might not be the brightest, but they come from the right class background.
Real smart people, scientists, engineers, can be hired in China and India.
Here the religious right has worked it's way into control of the State University system, and put Jesus first. Good Christian Saved kids will get all the degrees. They will then get all the jobs of controling the masses of damned sinners. They were big in homeschooling, which kept the kids out of universities.
It is like Oral Roberts starting a medical school, to produce Christian Doctors.
Education does show who will rule the future, and is the most political thing.
It is as pakled said, those the struggle to get through eight grade, are pushed out in ninth and tenth. Then a much smaller class size, whiter, with higher grades in eleventh and twelth. They are selected for jail, the graduates for the army, and Christian home schoolers, Christian Acadamy, for University.
Schools are teachers unions avoiding work. Standards are kept low across the board, so overall, America ranks at the bottom of industrial nations in education. We were holding our own with Albania and Bulgaria, but without Gifted classes, we will join Somolia and Afganistan.
We will have a monied class for managment and national government, and a Theocracy for State and local Government. Southeren Baptist have been targeting all levels of local government, and local economics, to make sure non members cannot survive. Ein Volk, Ein, church, ruling for god.
Local control of Public Education is putting everyone elses education in their hands. They want everyone else to move away. Without education and jobs, they will leave or go to jail. Then they will breed their children, and have a perpetual church state. Your tax dollars at work.
Education to the extentent of your ability, nationally supported through college, would cause those of merit to rise. Those of merit are not the right color or religion, so we have this system.
Fifty years ago it was the same, not only were some pushed out to hold menial jobs for life, I had the highest reading comprehension and science scores, and was pushed out so the right kind of kids would have the highest scores. It is social engineering from a white christian teacher point of view.
New Orleans was no accident, fully intentional, got rid of 125,000 Black voters. Relief supplies went to faith based groups, who kept them, then sent them to their South America Missions. The State recently refused $85 million in FEMA home supplies, for they did not want people moving back to New Orleans.
Funds for Black New Orleans went to white people, and they kept them. Houses people own and are fixing are being condemed and torn down, because they are "Contaminated". Disaster victums were bussed out of state and dumped. The UN says they have a right to return.
New Orleans has turned very white.
Public education is but one facet of race/class warfare. This is Ethnic Cleansing.
The same tactic is keeping schools closed in Iraq, for five years now, no education, for it was being taught in Arabic. No education destroys the people of the future. Saddam kept the Universities open.
This is the reason the Old Constitution called for a seperation of Church and State, and had a Bill of Rights not subject to majority rule. The Rule of Law not of men.
"He who will part with essential liberty for temporary safety, will wind up with neither." Ben Franklin |
Well, look at the crap that has taken up our educational system. Now i know Thugs that are forced to go to school and become a complete disruption to the educational system.. Now children are so called "Christmas-Treeing" tests while still being passed on to the next grade.
If the kids won`t take these Standardized Tests seriously why give them. Its a waste of $2.00 per child and millions on promotional tools. Rewarding schools that have an edge on these Standardized Tests [Like Gifted Schools] while punishing those with lower grades[ Like Special Needs Schools.] Some schools get ELMO`s, and brand new IBooks and Lenovos every year while some are still using Biege Model IBM Netvistas with Windows 98.
I say unless the kid is capable of the work and behavior expected in that classroom don"t put them in. Putting somebody with Autism in a Resourse room is far better than giving them no help at all.
The other issue is some teachers are so inexperienced at the teaching job they give busy work the whole class period. What is a kid going to learn from a Word Search. Some BookWork i understand but all bookwork is enough. Thats why i got feed up and enrolled myself in a Charter High School. Hands-On is the only way out in most cases. You get the kids motivated enough and they can do anything.
Also instead of giving all this money to the Colleges give it to the Technical/ Trade Schools. Not every kid is College Bond and some just want to get a trade and get out in the real world after high school. School doesn't benefit everybody and if you promote Trade Schools that will decrease the dropout rate in colleges. [ For kids that are not ready for college yet but stubbornly think they are.] I'm pretty sure Trade Schools need more funding that they are not getting at this moment. If you also on some of these Schoolarships let kids wait to to to college that will also be good.[Gives the student time to think.]
Last But Not Least, To have an effective government we need a 50:50 Senate majority. A President that didn`t get his fourtune from his GrandDaddy lending money to the NAZI'S in WWII. Was more aware about what gos on in the real world and not hanging with Dicky and Rummy all day killing kittens in the basement below the Oval Office. Not Helping New Orleans and all the african americans is unconstitutional and can be used in impeachment procedings.
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jamescampbell
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| it's us trying to defiy natural selection! |
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Dantac
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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a convoy is only as fast as the slowest ship.
The current education system is focused on graduating in bulk, not about delivering quality education. |
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makuranososhi
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Dantac wrote: | a convoy is only as fast as the slowest ship.
The current education system is focused on graduating in bulk, not about delivering quality education. |
While the quote applies in shipping, it does not in education. We sacrifice generations of potential, losing our Teslas, Galileos and Newtons for the sake of everyone feeling good about themselves and getting a cookie. *fume* Yet another reason I no longer teach in public education anymore.
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