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MR_BOGAN
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 Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Are women emotionally evolved or handicaped than men. |
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What I find the main difference between men and women is that women really have a thing with their self esteem.
That's one thing that always comes through. 
Because they are more sensitive themselves they tend to be more sensitive towards other people.
I can pretty much say whatever I want to another guy and he can say pretty much anything to me within reason, and that is just normal talk.
I find with women I have to tread a bit more carefully otherwise I can hurt their feelings. |
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RedMetal
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Maybe. Women do tend to become disappointed when a statement which could be interpreted negatively is made. I too have to tread more carefully with them. With male acquaintances, I tend to be afforded more leeway when it comes to joking around. As I don't tend to go very far with my teasing, it doesn't make too much of a difference.
I wouldn't say men don't have self esteem issues though - I have at least as many as most women. They mostly derive from my own observations though, and not any comments people make regarding me personally. I don't need to be told the ways others, particularly women, see me as inferior - it's quite obvious. In terms of my faults I'd rather at least be told the truth by others, as long as it was in a friendly way, if it can spur me on to a path of self improvement. |
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Hector
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The problem with what you're saying is that your inductive claims are weak. I suspect that levels of self-esteem corresponding to gender may differ across cultures.
Also, a case could be made that (one way or another) these women you know could merely be more transparent when it comes to their feelings. You might be insulting your male acquaintances more often than you realise. |
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MissConstrue
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Are women emotionally evolved or handicaped than men?.... I don't know since the title is misleading and equates to people fitting in one respect to gender rather than both.
Same could be said about other groups of people like race, religion and so forth. Personally I find more threads on this site about women than I do about men. I don't agree that it's wise to level one's self to another by condescending them without logical reason. Then again, you see a lot of that in life. It really gets down to the true motives behind one's questioning and regard.
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MR_BOGAN
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector wrote: | The problem with what you're saying is that your inductive claims are weak. I suspect that levels of self-esteem corresponding to gender may differ across cultures.
Also, a case could be made that (one way or another) these women you know could merely be more transparent when it comes to their feelings. You might be insulting your male acquaintances more often than you realise. |
You are right there men have to live up to a culture of being strong and tough, so if you are more open about your feelings it can be seen as weak. In saying that there are differences between us because our brains are different. |
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MR_BOGAN
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| MissConstrue wrote: | Are women emotionally evolved or handicaped than men?.... I don't know since the title is misleading and equates to people fitting in one respect to gender rather than both.
Same could be said about other groups of people like race, religion and so forth. Personally I find more threads on this site about women than I do about men. I don't agree that it's wise to level one's self to another by condescending them without logical reason. Then again, you see a lot of that in life. It really gets down to the true motives behind one's questioning and regard. |
My motives for this thread was just to try and understand women more. There are more men than woman on this site, so I guess there are going to be more threads about women. I'm not trying to be either gender down. |
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MissConstrue
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^Yes and the question is relevant to this forum but the title is somewhat fuzzy to me.
Not sure how to answere that sense I find both genders in the same league. In terms of how an offense is expressed it could differ regarding the gender. I've heard that most males will externalize their pain while women internalize it. This just comes from what I've read in terms of genders. I think some can easily switch the roles as well.
Not sure about evolution in terms of biology. Society on the other hand is still young to how genders should regard eachother. Take for instance a woman's right to vote, over here it was way before my time but it took a long time for it to happen. I ask myself why and what was wrong with it in the first place other than a society that was mostly run by white males? 
So it's hard to know since there are cultural aspects that surround it well as biological ones. I don't view cultures as the quick answere since it would depend upon the power and where it is placed.
So I guess your question is a little hard to answere unless there's a specific one like why do women react to this? or why do women find this offensive? or why are women sensative to this?
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Well given the bad behavior by some of the male members of WP, I would tend to think that the women are way more evolved then some of us guys, some of the garbage threads being posted its down right embarrassing and really offensive, and I am not an uptight prude either, but some guys really need to learn how to talk and behave around the ladies here on WP or in any other situation.
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pineapple
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It's socialization. There's plenty of men with low-self esteem, they just might not be as obvious about it. I don't think women are inherently "more sensitive". As a woman, I can tell you that this sensitivity is something we are taught from an early age.
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MR_BOGAN
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| pineapple wrote: | | It's socialization. There's plenty of men with low-self esteem, they just might not be as obvious about it. I don't think women are inherently "more sensitive". As a woman, I can tell you that this sensitivity is something we are taught from an early age. |
Well I find women tend to put more ephasis on self esteem. They like to have high self esteem, and love it been built up.
Men have high and low self esteem also, but we don't seem to care as much.
That's what I have noticed as a big difference between the sexes. |
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MR_BOGAN
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| spudnik wrote: | | Well given the bad behavior by some of the male members of WP, I would tend to think that the women are way more evolved then some of us guys, some of the garbage threads being posted its down right embarrassing and really offensive, and I am not an uptight prude either, but some guys really need to learn how to talk and behave around the ladies here on WP or in any other situation. |
Well I don't have much interest for the adult forum, unless I want to be grossed out.  |
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spudnik
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It was getting a little goofy in the adult forum, was getting very creepy there.
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MR_BOGAN
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| spudnik wrote: | | It was getting a little goofy in the adult forum, was getting very creepy there. |
That's why I'm hiding behind womens skirts by making posts in the womens forum.  |
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MissConstrue
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LOL,
It's not always the Adult Forum before the 3rd step rule try Dating. 
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penny07960
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: women deal with people, men with things |
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IMO one reason women's self-esteem issues are more visible is that women, on average, are more defined by their relationships than are men.
When a mother is asked “describe yourself”, I always, always hear “well I am mother of two wonderful girls” or some such. When I ask a father to describe himself, he typically says “well I am a lawyer, studied at Yale, love boating, am married and have two kids”.
When you look at the typical choice of careers (nurse, teacher, social worker, store clerk, child care, …) you tend women picking careers that involve close contact with people.
Typical male career choices tend to involve ‘things’ or systems: law, engineering, construction, mechanics.
I know these are stereotypes – and that there are numerous exceptions – but some of us would argue that these choices reflect deep motivations, rather than being the by-product of a “sexist society” that “routes women into lower-prestige, lower paying” positions.
If your relationship is with things (computers, cars, etc) self-esteem is far less important than when your primary relationships are with people. Diesel engines don't care if you are fat, bald and devoid of style; people (unfortunately) may include these characteristics in their evaluation of your worth. Hence any perceived flaws, real or imagined, affect our relationships with people.
Just my opinion!
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