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DeepBlueLake Tufted Titmouse


Joined: Mar 10, 2007 Posts: 43 Location: North of England
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: TRIPPY STUFF - some autistic acid. |
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TRIPPY STUFF
How to explain AS to a hippy, or anyone else who's tasted Dr Hofmann's famous patent medicine.
Did you ever trip on acid?
If so, you know what you need to know about Asperger’s Syndrome.
Think about what acid does to you. It doesn't stimulate, it doesn't tranquillise. You remain perfectly conscious during the whole performance. What does go to sleep, however, is the subconscious mind: all the instincts, intuitions and prejudices that form your sense of self, your picture of the world and what it all means. The subconscious dissolves in the acid, until all that's left is pure consciousness, experiencing an unfiltered reality without judgement or prejudice.
Now compare that to Asperger's Syndrome. If Simon Baron-Cohen and friends are correct, the parts of the brain involved in intuition are physically stunted, and work much slower than normal people's. The rational, logical side overdevelops to compensate, and may work much faster than normal. The result of having two sides of your head spinning at different rates, experiencing reality at different speeds, is the endless psychedelic trance that we call autism. Asperger's Syndrome is the mildest form of that lifelong trip.
Don’t think I’m exaggerating here. Although it’s the brain’s stucture that’s out of balance, rather than its chemistry, the result has much in common with an acid trip. An unfiltered, uncensored world, gigabytes and gigabytes of it pouring through your skull every moment, every TV channel on the planet switched on in your head - but with no gut sense of what any of it means.
So it’s unsurprising that we tend to be private and solitary people. If you want to know why we avoid eye contact, remember how grotesque the human face looks when you’re tripping. If we seem strung out and neurotic, think of how on acid, everything seems to happen suddenly. Suddenly, someone’s talking to you. Suddenly the lights go on. The kind of hustle and bustle you could normally take in your stride becomes one long, nerve-shredding BOO!
And as for dealing with people, especially people with no idea what’s going on for you...! You’ll know if you’ve had acid, that a conversation as simple as ordering pizza needs an arse-clenching level of self-control and focus. You can’t keep that up for any length of time without getting very stressed. We sometimes get mini nervous breakdowns from the effort, and have to go and hide somewhere. These are known as meltdowns. Imagine Fat Freddy hiding under the bed from his bad trip. The common description of a bad trip is “falling off the edge of the world”, and that’s what meltdowns feel like.
That’s why we tend to keep ourselves to ourselves. We don’t mind this. Fortunately, we have all kinds of obscure and unusual hobbies to keep us happy. The other side of acid is that, provided nobody’s hassling you, the whole world seems infinitely beautiful and fascinating. Even the most mundane, boring things sparkle and beckon. You see their value and their importance in life.
Of these boring things, the most popular for us are; numbers, systems, machines, words and facts. To the average person they are the dreariest stuff you can talk about, but to an autistic mind they feel like the beach felt to Robinson Crusoe. They’re an island of stability in the ever-melting ocean of the trip. The autistic often become reknowned inventors, scientists and engineers because of this love for the apparently lifeless world of physics. We seldom chat, but we love to lecture, and listen to lectures. An autistic “conversation” isn’t a spontaneous flicking back-and-forth of ideas, but more like a structured debate in which one person gives you their full attention, listens and thinks, then talks at length while you listen to them with equal concentration.
And that's how we cope with Timothy Leary's three-ring circus going on all the time. Solitude, appreciation of nature and learning in all their forms, and the kind of teeth-gritted self control that'd make a Presbyterian minister jealous.
All that effort can make a person look a little spaced-out and disconnected.
The common perception of autism is someone trapped in a world of their own, a dreamworld from which they need rescuing. This isn’t how it seems to many of us. We, on the other side of the looking-glass, see something very different. It’s you who look like you’re dreaming.
When a normal person talks, their body constantly makes little micro-adjustments that convey a sense of what’s going on for them emotionally. The other person’s subconscious picks up on this, and reflects back a mixture of what it’s just noticed and its own emotions. Then, person number one does the same thing and it goes on, back and forth like a tennis game. The actual words spoken may contribute only a little to this interchange, or even be incidental to it. Thus, we get the cliche that “ninety percent of communication is non-verbal”.
And it’s that ninety percent that we don’t get. Our minds hear the literal meaning of the words, but from our tripped-out perspective, everything else just looks like a meaningless ripple of movement across your body. It’s no more readable than the billowing of clouds. We spend a lot of our time staring blankly at people like we’d just had a quick nip-and-tuck at the lobotomy clinic, understanding what they say, but not why they said it.
You’re talking to a mixture of the other person and your own psychic reflection, conveyed through their body language and choice of words. This is what psychologists call a gestalt. Most of them regard gestalt communication as the pinnacle of mental health. But to us, it’s awful. As soon as two people get together, their eyes glaze over and focus on a kind of shimmery magic mirror between them. All they know of each other is the gestalt, the relationship.
Trouble is, the gestalt is an illusion. And it’s very prone to viral infection. Everybody’s gestalt becomes like everybody else’s. And gradually, it becomes more and more like TV. You end up confusing the real world with the world of human society and human relationships. You lose your ability to see the future objectively. You can often get trapped in cycles of pleasure and pain.
There’s a name for this sickly gestalt dream. We call it neurotypicality. Tripping our tits off as we are, we see it as bad vibes, man! And we call it like we see it.
Naturally, this doesn’t make us popular at the frothier kind of cocktail parties. As we sit alone in the corner, watching all of this flash by in timelapse while Philip Glass plays synthesisers in the background, we wonder if you even know you’re dreaming.
We trip, you dream. Funny old world, isn’t it?
And we’re as unlikely to come down as you are to wake up.
Go to go. There’s some wallpaper over there I really want to stare at for a while.
BTW, I'm not recommending you go out and get some LSD. Some people love it, some people find it horrible - aspies included. Check round the forums for people's experiences.
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BitsandWires Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Good stuff and I agree with most of it. One of my hobbies is studying drugs and their effects on the mind. I have never took any hard substance in my life, but I've always been around friends who have which lead me to study it; as well to understand my own mind and others. I like to read reports on Erowid and scientific research on neuro chemistry.
I expected more posts in line with this when I discovered this site, I thought more people looked at the chemical nature of things as it seems logical its part of our unique composition. I doubt you'll get much of a response here though. |
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makuranososhi Purple Monkey Dishwasher

Joined: May 13, 2008 Posts: 2256 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Interesting insight... and with a good wit. Certainly good food for thoughts, thinking back in the wayback machine... We may have to talk more on this once I can digest a few things upstairs.
M. _________________ He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
From my heart and from my hand, why don't people understand my intentions...?
Why choose a lesser evil? Vote Cthulhu 2008! |
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mikegee Snowy Owl


Joined: Jun 28, 2006 Posts: 130
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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cool piece; great analogies, very well written; i hope you're a professional writer, but if you're not, you should pursue that. thanks for making me think just a bit deeper than i most usually do hehe
ps some aspies (like me) are not math orientated at all; i think this is the most popular misconception; the varying sub-types and kinds of aspergers, auties and other spectrum people; ya know? or maybe it's just my dyscalculea talking lol
peace
mike
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Draws Blue Jay


Joined: May 08, 2008 Age: 22 Posts: 84 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| I think rather then being math oriented, aspies are finite oriented. I'm not really math oriented, but I hate ambiguous things and love things that are finite. In my case its programming. This stems from the same reason we take what people say literally. |
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Orwell Outer Party Member

Joined: Aug 09, 2007 Age: 19 Posts: 4243 Location: Room 101
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Draws wrote: | | I think rather then being math oriented, aspies are finite oriented. I'm not really math oriented, but I hate ambiguous things and love things that are finite. In my case its programming. This stems from the same reason we take what people say literally. |
I think you're on to something with the finite oriented idea. I like things that are exact, no gray, no middle, no approximate. In physics, I looked up (and used) the exact local acceleration due to gravity of 9.796m/s/s when the teacher used 9.8 or, more often, 10. I also prefer discrete mathematics over calculus; calc has too much stuff that's just approximate, discrete math is ALWAYS exact. _________________ WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
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DeepBlueLake Tufted Titmouse


Joined: Mar 10, 2007 Posts: 43 Location: North of England
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: |
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I think you're both onto something here. I wrote a while back that the intuitive mind sees a reality that's blurred slightly in time. The far edge of the blur gives you an inkling of what's about to happen. Think of an analogue tape. You can sometimes hear the echo of sounds that are still to be played.
The logical side works in discrete "clicks", like a digital system. It's either on or off, true or false.
We often have trouble with social situations, but more specifically, it's when an encounter or a question could go either way. That fuzzy logic doesn't sit well with the rational mind. Come on, it says, make your mind up! |
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bicentennialman Tufted Titmouse


Joined: Mar 21, 2008 Posts: 38
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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That was a fascinating read, DeepBlueLake. I have no idea how accurate it is about the effects of acid, since that's not something I ever want to do, but some of the things it said about autism and Asperger's ring true to me. Especially seeing the wonderful in the mundane.
There's a quote from the Christian writer C.S. Lewis that used to trouble me that I think somewhat relates to this--
"Indeed if we consider the unblushing promise of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures like an ignorant child wants to go making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the beach. We are far too easily pleased."
I really identified with that boy playing with mud pies and not wanting to be dragged away even to the promise of something much better-- because it's often in the mundane everyday things that people seem to find trivial and boring that I find so much pleasure in exploring. I could spend my whole life exploring just one tiny corner of the world or one tiny niche of human knowledge. Can't they see that I'm not done here yet? How could I hope to deal with everything at a place like the beach when this gives me all I can handle? Am I too easily satisfied, or are they missing something wonderful right on their own doorstep? Something about the autistic mind seems to work that way.
By the way, I don't think now that was what Lewis meant by that quote at all (and I love his writing; my purpose is NOT to drag him down!). He was talking about how people will often choose to do something they know is wrong because they think doing what God wants them to do will ruin their fun-- when really, it's the other way around: God wants the best for us, and doing the wrong thing is what leads to heartache.
Just some thoughts I've been turning over in my head.
*edited because I originally addressed this post to myself! OOPS! |
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SabbraCadabra Sea Gull

Joined: Apr 22, 2008 Posts: 1552
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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This must be why everyone accuses me of being on drugs @_@ _________________ How wonderful to be so profound. |
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SabbraCadabra Sea Gull

Joined: Apr 22, 2008 Posts: 1552
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| DeepBlueLake wrote: | | Think of an analogue tape. You can sometimes hear the echo of sounds that are still to be played. |
Oh good, I always thought I was just imagining that =) _________________ How wonderful to be so profound. |
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DJRnold Velociraptor


Joined: Jan 25, 2008 Age: 17 Posts: 490 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | Draws wrote: | | I think rather then being math oriented, aspies are finite oriented. I'm not really math oriented, but I hate ambiguous things and love things that are finite. In my case its programming. This stems from the same reason we take what people say literally. |
I think you're on to something with the finite oriented idea. I like things that are exact, no gray, no middle, no approximate. In physics, I looked up (and used) the exact local acceleration due to gravity of 9.796m/s/s when the teacher used 9.8 or, more often, 10. I also prefer discrete mathematics over calculus; calc has too much stuff that's just approximate, discrete math is ALWAYS exact. |
I have a question. According to my Grade 11 Math class, a number is "exact" after it's rounded so that it has no decimals. But I saw it the opposite way. Isn't 3.79845 more "exact" than 3.8? If you have 3.79845 chocolate bars, you can't add more chocolate to make it 3.8! And if you say that it's 3.8 when it's actually 3.79845, then you aren't "exactly" correct, are you?
I may have disagreed with what the curriculum called "exact", but I still used it the way the curriculum wanted me to or else I would have gotten a worse mark.
Which do you consider more "exact"? 3.79845 or 3.8? |
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NeantHumain Phoenix

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think many aspies have tried drugs (except prescribed ones), let alone LSD, but there may be some truth to your analogy. NTs' preoccupation with the gestalt, social interactions, makes me wonder how they can handle such boredom for so long. For example, at lunch at work, the conversation rarely takes a turn for the interesting, and instead people talk about movies or even cartoons from when they were a kid. Apparently I tend to look like I've blanked out a lot—I haven't really told any of my colleagues that I find such conversation tediously boring. |
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NeantHumain Phoenix

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| DJRnold wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | Draws wrote: | | I think rather then being math oriented, aspies are finite oriented. I'm not really math oriented, but I hate ambiguous things and love things that are finite. In my case its programming. This stems from the same reason we take what people say literally. |
I think you're on to something with the finite oriented idea. I like things that are exact, no gray, no middle, no approximate. In physics, I looked up (and used) the exact local acceleration due to gravity of 9.796m/s/s when the teacher used 9.8 or, more often, 10. I also prefer discrete mathematics over calculus; calc has too much stuff that's just approximate, discrete math is ALWAYS exact. |
I have a question. According to my Grade 11 Math class, a number is "exact" after it's rounded so that it has no decimals. But I saw it the opposite way. Isn't 3.79845 more "exact" than 3.8? If you have 3.79845 chocolate bars, you can't add more chocolate to make it 3.8! And if you say that it's 3.8 when it's actually 3.79845, then you aren't "exactly" correct, are you?
I may have disagreed with what the curriculum called "exact", but I still used it the way the curriculum wanted me to or else I would have gotten a worse mark.
Which do you consider more "exact"? 3.79845 or 3.8? |
You have to distinguish between numbers in the abstract and numbers as continuous measurement of a physical property. At the purely intellectual level, 3.8 and 3.79845 are two entirely separate numbers as much as 10 and 900 are. When you are taking a measurement, generally, you can always get just a little more precision, and so you add more significant digits. For example, 3.79845 rounded to two significant digits is 3.8. 3.8 (the abstract number) would be 3.80000 if it were a measurement in 6 significant digits. The idea is the equipment used to take the measurement really can't accurately assess more precision (or your calculations just don't need it). |
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Tzetze Tufted Titmouse


Joined: May 30, 2008 Age: 36 Posts: 31 Location: Galway, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Great post OP - I can really identify with what you've written. It's my own experience that even just one experience of losing grip of your ego temporarily and riding along on a completely different perception of time and space and then returning to your own version of normality, can leave the psychonaut far more in tune with his environment and with a new-found, deeper, appreciation of nature.
I agree with the earlier points about finity. I'm very lucky to be mathematically gifted, although non-diagnosis meant that school/career/etc didn't work out that way, although I'm working on changing that these days (found the perfect course for this particular aspie before I knew I was an aspie). I'm digressing a little, my point is that even though I/We may have an orientation towards finity, I still have a certain affinity towards infinity. Warms my heart to see it crop up in maths/physics. |
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LeonKrahe Yellow-bellied Woodpecker


Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Age: 22 Posts: 55 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Very interesting thoughts you've got there! Guess that explains why everyone in my school has always assumed I were the biggest druggie around when in fact I'd never touched anything like that, not even alcohol. Being naturally "high" doesn't surprise me much lol. |
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