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annie2
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 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: "Too much talking" |
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Hi,
Have been picking up a bit in some posts that a number of AS children have difficulties in class with having to listen to too much talking from the teacher. Just wondering how many people out there find this is an issue with their kids? . . . and what you do to solve it? Am wondering if this is part of the reason for my son's zone-outs and meltdowns at school at times. He's made a few comments recently at home that there's "too much talking" and he's sick of having to listen to it. |
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Gifted-Monster
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*Ponders*
Is it a possible that he simply reads and memorises the necessary info and only goes into school on test days/ assignment days/ each morning to check for assignments?
This might go a fair way to helping. He'll probably function better at home where he can "control" the talking by going to his room, outside, etc.
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jat
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Do you know whether he has central auditory processing disorder? This is fairly common with kids on the spectrum, and if someone is having trouble understanding what people are talking about, the constant barrage of language would feel assaultive. Many people with CAPD are strong visual learners and require visual cues to learn effectively - when young, that can mean visual agendas, picture schedules, etc. Once they have learned to read, it means that material presented in written form (both words and pictures/graphs, etc.) are much more effective than material presented auditorially. Your child may need a break from the classroom if there is a lot of time spent with the teacher talking at the kids - time to work on worksheets, or do something more hands-on. Even if he doesn't have CAPD, the constant "noise" of the speaking could be overstimulating, and therefore stressful. |
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annotated_alice
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: |
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My son complains of the same thing at school (and sometimes at home too, we are trying to remember to give him verbal instructions/feedback etc. in as short, concise chunks as possible). We have started talking to next year's teacher about using visual teaching methods with him as much as possible, and writing verbal instructions down, that way if he has to tune out or put on headphones (he uses these a lot in class) he won't be lost when it's time to start the task.
I wish classrooms were as quiet as they used to be. I remember sitting at my desk and doing my work independently and talking was not allowed. Now not only does my son have to try to take in what the teacher is saying, but he has to deal with the constant sharing between the students that is encouraged, because they work in teams most of the time on projects. I can see how this approach would benefit NT kids, but it is horrible for my son. He comes home from school completely overloaded. |
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krex
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I have CAPD and this is a problem in classes. I also think it takes a lot of energy to try and process words into the pictures that help me process the words and store them. People do not use language very efficiently, in my opinion, and often clutter up their conversation with superfluous words. Most of what a teacher says can be summed up in a list of 10 "facts" but they need to fill time and they do it with words. I would much prefer just reading the information and asking questions about any "bits" that need clarifying....but they don't teach that way 
You might also ask him if it is the teachers or peers talking that are the biggest problem. I think NT's are much better at "tuinng out" noise but just as I am working on preocessing new information...someone is blathering on about whatever and I can't seem to "not hear" them. It's very annoying because my brain wants to focus on the information.
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flowergal
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My 9yr old dtr zones out in Sunday School and the Junior Church class. (We homeschool so we dont have school experiences like that) My MIL is her Sunday school teacher and quite a talker (like her son...LOL, dtr zones out on his lectures too,) anyway, she will tell me my dtr doesnt pay attention. She says she just sits there and picks the skin on her hand and thumb. On occassion my dtr does say "Gramma talks to much. " There are times at home when during the day my daughter just asks "Can we have the TV off and just have peace and quiet!" There are times when we are doing school and her little brother who is learning to read is reading out loud and she wants him to read quieter! It can become quite a battle. I just try to help her find a quiet place in the house to do her studies.
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Triangular_Trees
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When I sub I need everything written down if I'm to remember it. Fortunately that is usually the case, but sometimes I go in and the teacher hasn't written anything down because she knows she'll get a chance to talk to me. When that happens, I'm lucky if I can remember half of it
I can remember much more if I don't have to focus on the speaker. That "hands down, pencils down, eyes on me" is one of the worst possible things you can make me do if you want me to pay attention. I'll then have to focus on keeping my hands still and my eyes on you, which takes to much of my concentration for me to listen to you. It also means I'll end up day dreaming because my hands have to be kept still. That might be related to the fact that I find nothing worse than doing only one thing at a time. For example if I watch a movie on the computer, I'll be playing solitaire, and posting on websites at the same time. if I'm studying, I'll be playing my gameboy. I focus much better when I don't have to focus.
In high school my teachers used that eyes on my philosophy. My gpa averaged around 3.1
In college, my professors didn't say anything about drawing, or weaving keychains, or knitting a strand of yarn, or destroying a squishy ball in the middle of class. My GPA was 4.0. All of the notes I took in my BS and MA programs could fit into one notebook. The drawings I made during class couldn't. Some of the pages of my notebook are covered in drawings and the note I found important is squeezed into half of one line in between the alien spaceship, the football player, the truck, and the horse
When I was student teaching an expert came and said to let the two AS students draw in class if thats what they felt the need to do. I looked at the one boys drawing and his picture did relate to what I was talking about. Though the pictures won't always relate directly - when my one teacher was talking about illegal aliens I drew a picture of an alien in a space ship beaming things up from earth.
I've also found that even unrelated pictures can help me on tests where I haven't memorized the material verbatim. I just begin to draw the same picture I was drawing while the teacher was talking about that subject and the material will usually come back to me before I finish the picture |
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Tortuga
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Similar to what Krex said, I know that my son loses patience with a lot of extra talking. He will ask for specific facts and if you supply extra info, he will tell you that he's done talking about it. Also, my son doesn't like small talk too much. He does some of it, but he prefers to bail on it.
All the talking was a problem for him in school, esp. other kids talking. |
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annie2
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| jat wrote: | | Do you know whether he has central auditory processing disorder? This is fairly common with kids on the spectrum, and if someone is having trouble understanding what people are talking about, the constant barrage of language would feel assaultive. Many people with CAPD are strong visual learners and require visual cues to learn effectively - when young, that can mean visual agendas, picture schedules, etc. Once they have learned to read, it means that material presented in written form (both words and pictures/graphs, etc.) are much more effective than material presented auditorially. Your child may need a break from the classroom if there is a lot of time spent with the teacher talking at the kids - time to work on worksheets, or do something more hands-on. Even if he doesn't have CAPD, the constant "noise" of the speaking could be overstimulating, and therefore stressful. |
I don't know whether he has CAPD - how would I find out? Also, when you say that this is fairly common with kids on the spectrum (that's what I've read too), does this mean that CAPD is part of Aspergers, or is it a specific condition that might co-exist with Aspergers? |
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krex
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It is not part of the DX but a common co-morbid. There are specific tests for it that are different then "hearing tests" but maybe given by the same people. It might help to have this additional DX for getting services and accomidations.
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