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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Why do many Aspies not like change? Reply with quote

Is it due to anxiety about what will happen if the change occurs, or something else?

I'm still trying to figure out if I have AS or not after almost 7 years, and one of the things I keep hearing is that most Aspies don't like change. Often this statement will come from NT's who might not know why their AS child or spouse doesn't like change, but some Aspies mention it too.

IN one of the sets of criteria for AS (it might be Gilberg, I'm not sure), the dislike of change is mentioned, but it's clarified as non-functional change, meaning change that shouldn't really affect their well-being. But then I'm wondering whose definition of non-functional change is being used? Maybe the change may seem non-functional to an NT but might not be to an Aspie because of fear of a certain outcome?

Someone I met online that I went to school with in 5th grade and later too, said when I mentioned that I was trying to find out if I had AS or not, that she remembered I didn't like change and she had some Aspie kids in her classes (she's an elementary school teacher) who didn't like change either and she knew it was a trait. I asked her when I didn't seem to like change, because I honestly don't remember having a problem with changes if they were pleasant or neutral. She said that she remembered I didn't like having my seat moved in 5th grade, didn't like it when class times were changedd, and also that at age 11 I still had children's wallpaper in my room.

The wallpaper thing was a misunderstanding--my parents weren't able to afford new wallpaper at the time because of hospital bills for my mother, who had cancer and they were unisured. I may have just said that I liked the paper because I didn't think she needed to know we couldn't afford it. However, I do know that I didn't like having my seat moved in elementary school, because I was teased a lot and thought that the kids that I was being moved near might tease me. I also remember once or twice in 5th grade not having finished an assignment and thinking "Oh, it' s an afternoon class and we have a couple study periods before then--I'll finish it then!" only to find out that the class time had been moved up I did have excessive anxiety about things like that, in other words, and my excessive anxiety caused me to not like certain changes when they involved something I was anxious about, like getting yelled at by a teacher for not finishing something, or being teased.

I also remember a few times when my parents did some things totally out of the ordinary, it often meant that something bad had happened or they were sick themselves, so that when they did certain things I'd start to wonder if something was wrong. Also I always did think that something bad was going to happen, and I feared having both my parents sick at the same time--I was an only child and when I was six I remember they were both down with intestinal flu and I didn't know what I should do for them or what to do in general and I was terrified. AFter that I was always terrified if someone vomited for years afterward.

And this is still the case for me. If a change is pleasant or neutral I'm all for it. If it's either something unpleasant, or something that I'm anxious about or feel that it'll involve a lot of work I don't want to do (like moving) or I feel it'll cause me to have to live on the streets eventually (such as losing my job), then I fear it.

I was afraid a year ago when I got a new boss, that he wouldn't like me and would find a way to fire me. I'd just heard from a former boss at a former job about how she took a new job and there were some slackers or something who she eventually had to fire. I thought "Well, maybe they were slackers or maybe they just worked differently than she was used to. What if this new boss of mine decides I'm someone he doesn't want to work with and figures out a way to get rid of me?" The same thing happened when I had to take on more work after someone left--although I was glad to have more of a challenge, I was anxious about what if I couldn't do it and was fired and ended up living on the streets.

I'm afraid to meet new people because I think they won't like me. If a meeting is scheduled for a different time at work and it's just a few minutes away, I worry that maybe someone told me and I forgot, or that someone neglected to tell me because they didn't want me there and were going to fire me. there is a lot of anxiety about getting fired where I work anyway, even among NT's and people without anxiety disorders, and it seems like I'm not the only one there who is suspicious of certain changes, thinking they might mean something bad for at least some of us, because in our experience some of the changes have meant something bad or more restrictive.

Also if I looked forward to something and it gets cancelled for some other reason, this is disappointing to me, and I've heard this described as an AS trait.

Yet some NT's fear some changes too, especially if the changes might mean hardship of some kind, or if they have to give up something pleasant, and sometimes they fear not being able to do something (functional changes, I guess these would be called) Sometimes for instance, they'll stay in bad relationships or marriages due to fear of what their lives would be like on their own, or what their kids' lives would be like with a single parent. Also even NT people get in ruts of behavior. What about people who "have" to watch a certain show, or see most of the games of their favorite sports team? And even NT's have things they like or don't like to do, and sometimes they find it easier to do the things they like, especially if they're good at them.

When I don't do something or change something that I know I should and even want to, it's usually due to fear or anxiety that I won't be able to do it, or that it'll be too hard or that I'll have to do social things that might make me anxious or put me in contact iwth people who might think I'm weird.

So anyway, I'm wondering for those of you who fear or dislike non-functional change, is it usually anxiety-related or is there some other reason?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my case, it depends on the situation. If I made the change, I handle it ok because I was in control of the situation. If someone else made the change for me, then I get upset, because I did not want that part to change.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tlcoopi7 wrote:
In my case, it depends on the situation. If I made the change, I handle it ok because I was in control of the situation. If someone else made the change for me, then I get upset, because I did not want that part to change.

Agree with that. Surprises-in other words, alterations due to forces outside myself (from other people or the environment-physical, social, economic, etc.) are inherently unpleasant and destabilizing events, even when "pleasant" in content.

Also, it takes me so f'ing long to get used to anything new/different-it's mere fact of any sort of change that throws me. Y'know, it took me 'til now to finally adjust to "L"-and now it's being switched to "M" instead ? So, part of problem is what the thing's being changed to-and part is just that something's going to be different, never mind how.

In other words, I'm constantly experiencing something akin to "jet lag" in my daily life, yet not as result of traveling across time zones on plane-it's "life lag". I can't snap my fingers & suddenly "be ready" for whatever novelty I'm confronted with-it takes ages for me to "settle in" & get comfortable with anything new.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm ok with change for good reasons at times.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I planned the change out well in advance, then I'll usually be fine with it. But surprises in my day-to-day can throw me off ( I'd make an exception for something real good, like a windfall of money, though). Change isn't necessarily bad--- it just needs time to adjust, time to plan it out, and at least some control over the change.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it's so not much change, but the context of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question!

I don't have a problem with change in itself. I welcome it if it's for the better, and dislike it if it's for the worse.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently read a book on aspergers and adolescense and the author suggested that people with AS
resist changes in their routines because of organizational difficulties stemming from poor working memory. So we adhere to rigid routines so that they can be stored into long term memory(she also said we have better then normal recall) but due to the way long term memory works we can't remember parts of the routine and instead remember the routine as a whole. Instead of remembering a routine as a series of progressive steps we remember it as just one thing.If we miss a one"part" of the routine we perceive that as the entire routine being upset and we can easily get lost and that causes a lot of frustration. Er I hope that makes sense.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That makes send LTP. I think it even can extend beyond task oriented routines into daily and weekly routines.
I can remember to do something at a certain time on a certain day of the week, but when you change the day or time that something is done at it takes me quite a while to readjust. In the meantime I have that thought of "I need to remember this change" running through the back of my mind that creeps to the front now and then. When you get more than one or two things changing at a time I lose track of the differences.
As a result any change that is more than 2 weeks from now you might as well not tell me about unless it is something major that I need to shuffle other things around. The change ends up getting bumped out of my memory, or bumps something else that will be more recent.
My days are virtually identical in the things I do. The things that are different on a daily basis are part of the weekly routine. It gives me comfort because I know what I will be doing next.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its sudden changes that i don't like if its a small change then i can deal with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"jet lag" is a very good way of describing it.

I just find it very tiring to have to adjust to new routines all the time, especially when there doesn't seem to be any reason for it. Sometimes, I'm apprehensive that something will go wrong, especially if there's a history of something going wrong, but I think most of the time I just find it too tiring. I don't think well on my feet, so it takes a lot of time and energy to adjust. I'm like the Titanic being asked to manouver like a speed boat. Can't do it.

On the other hand, when it's me doing the change, I do like to stir things up. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look forward to change, I'd love for change, as long as it's change for the better.

Changes I wish to happen include:
1. Getting a job
2. Moving out
3. Getting a GF
4. Getting in shape
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see I dislike changes, but there is some problems changes can create. I fear that something I do or something around me is "wrong" all the time. I have to read somewhere or someone have to tell me that "this is right" before I can accept it. If something I know is "right" suddenly changes I have to go trough the hole process of checking if it is "right" before I can accept it. If something does not change over a long time, I will eventually accept it as "right" and don't think about it anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kclark wrote:
That makes send LTP. I think it even can extend beyond task oriented routines into daily and weekly routines.
I can remember to do something at a certain time on a certain day of the week, but when you change the day or time that something is done at it takes me quite a while to readjust. In the meantime I have that thought of "I need to remember this change" running through the back of my mind that creeps to the front now and then. When you get more than one or two things changing at a time I lose track of the differences.
As a result any change that is more than 2 weeks from now you might as well not tell me about unless it is something major that I need to shuffle other things around. The change ends up getting bumped out of my memory, or bumps something else that will be more recent.
My days are virtually identical in the things I do. The things that are different on a daily basis are part of the weekly routine. It gives me comfort because I know what I will be doing next.

It takes effort (energy, attention, repetition & time) to imprint/set a "default" response in the first place (when it's artificial/intellectual info.)-not talking about a physical reflex, but acquired intuition.
Examples of "defaults" are: Today's date, day, month, year. What season is it ? What times on which days do I have my weekly appointments ? How old am I now ? (and stuff like that).

Having to remove/override a default is no easy thing-having put so much work into lodging it there (in long term memory), it's resistant. Takes extra effort to insert a new one-instead of just recalling the desired info., one has to keep track of knowing to disregard the previous "default" & instead substitute the updated version.

That's additional mental computations, trying to trigger a new pattern (answer) while preventing the old one from being reinforced/accessed. Just like trying to get the date right when it's the new year & one has spent past 365 days writing "2007"-it takes while before one habituates, gets used to, "internalizes" writing "2008". Some folks have longer time lag than others.
Anemone wrote:
I don't think well on my feet, so it takes a lot of time and energy to adjust. I'm like the Titanic being asked to manouver like a speed boat. Can't do it.

Good comparison/illustration. My brain is like a big vehicle, difficult to pilot/direct precisely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

because if things were better that way, we'd already be doing them the changed way Laughing

Though realistically, I think a bit part of it is just being unsure as to what is acceptable in a changed environment. I believe its the same reason i wasn't willing to sit on one of the two yellow chairs in the hospital waiting room today. They looked more comfortable but since all the other chairs were blue I felt there must be something wrong about sitting in them - like maybe they were reserved for a special patient type. And I was the only one in the waiting room at the time
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