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Bozewani
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JerryHatake
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There is a similar thread in the News Forum dealing with the same story already.
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catspurr
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Autistic toddler forced of American flight |
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| Bozewani wrote: | http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=8516427&ch=4226723&src=news
Well, that is how society treats us! |
Yeah but the same thing also happens to kids not on the spectrum.
Also, once apon a time when people were more kid friendly and kids weren't thought of as an unnecessary inconvenience to society, airlines used to have things for children on planes much like how restaurants carry crayons and such for kids.
Now people are such jerks when it comes to kids as IF they were prim and proper kids growing up  |
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BokeKaeru
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I'll be honest and say that a kid's making screaming noises does set me off (sensory issues on my part). However, to kick them off the plane? That's just uncalled for. It seems that they were being inflexible when it came to the issue of rules in this given situation - if the mother had been allowed to take the seatbelt off the kid while the plane wasn't moving and rock him like she did in the news broadcast, or allowed to keep the bag under her own seat (and yes, that is possible) so she could have something to give him to keep him occupied, this could've been prevented. I honestly don't see how doing so could've harmed anyone, and it would seem they were doing this only for policy's own sake rather than function.
...One more reason to add to my growing list of reasons that I hate air travel with a burning, fiery passion. |
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| BokeKaeru wrote: | I'll be honest and say that a kid's making screaming noises does set me off (sensory issues on my part). However, to kick them off the plane? That's just uncalled for. It seems that they were being inflexible when it came to the issue of rules in this given situation - if the mother had been allowed to take the seatbelt off the kid while the plane wasn't moving and rock him like she did in the news broadcast, or allowed to keep the bag under her own seat (and yes, that is possible) so she could have something to give him to keep him occupied, this could've been prevented. I honestly don't see how doing so could've harmed anyone, and it would seem they were doing this only for policy's own sake rather than function.
...One more reason to add to my growing list of reasons that I hate air travel with a burning, fiery passion. |
Yeah, I was put off a plane once for reacting badly to a child screaming just behind me.
I think he was quite spoilt and his mum was dealing with the situation by telling his older sister off who had done nothing wrong. The mother made her daughter give up her window seat to her brother and still he wouldn't stop carrying on.
But at the same time, I think the rules could have been relaxed a little for the autistic toddler so things wouldn't have got so bad that he and his mum were put off the plane.
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| ah soceity some many things are screwed up in it, i'm amazed that NTs have to be accepted by it or its the end of the world. |
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I've given up on society, a long time ago.
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BokeKaeru
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| Pandora wrote: | Yeah, I was put off a plane once for reacting badly to a child screaming just behind me. I think he was quite spoilt and his mum was dealing with the situation by telling his older sister off and she hasn't done anything wrong.
But at the same time, I think the rules could have been relaxed a little for this autistic toddler so things wouldn't have got so bad that he and his mum were put off the plane. |
Really? Wow, that's absolutely horrible. Poor you, and the poor sister. Pretty stupid double standard if you ask me for the airlines to punish you rather than deal with the family itself.... not so much the misbehaving child in this case so much as the misbehaving parent, I'd say.
And in the case at hand.... if they were unprepared to allow the parent, the only person there, really, who truly knew what was best for her child other than the boy himself, to solve the problem because of some stupid regulations, they had absolutely no right to kick her off the plane. They made the situation for both parent and child into a rock and a hard place in a completely unacceptable fashion, with no compassion or regard for context, it would seem. |
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Rjaye
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Actually, not all of the facts weren't released on this case until recently.
Apparently this kid was not just unruly-he was having a full scale meltdown. Meaning that not a whole lot could be done, even by his mom.
And they were trying to get the plane off the ground, and the child had to have his seatbelt on as per safety regs.
Now there may have been things that could have been handled better, but understanding and compassion can only go so far before it really is invading other people's space and rights. A squalling child is one thing, but one in full meltdown is something else.
Should the plane have held off until the mother was able to get the child calmed down? How fair is that to potentially hundreds of other travellers? And what if the child couldn't calm down because of sensory issues?
And what about others on the plane with their own sensory issues? I can deal with a crying and bratty child, but to be around a full on screaming, flailing meltdown--I can't handle it. So, does all of our "compassion" go to the mom and child at the expense of everyone else? Or was this a case of everyone making the kid suffer. Maybe that kid was better served by being off of that plane. Maybe in Mom's eagerness to stick to her own schedule she overloaded her son, and really wasn't looking to his comfort but her own need?
The captain made the final decision after trying to deal with the situation himself, and being on a timetable, he made what he thought was right was right choice in serving the rest of his customers.
This is not a black and white issue, and it seems everyone could have behaved better if they had considered the special needs of the child, and not the adults. |
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Pandora
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Sometimes I think it's better to wait until children are older before flying with them because two year olds can't be reasoned with a lot even if they don't have autism or other issues. Then again, I've only seen a few toddlers have trouble on planes and the boy I spoke of in my previous post was at least three and I think he was used to females in his life giving in to his tantrums. The mother in question told her kids "well, I'm never going to fly with you again because you're so naughty!". It was only the boy being naughty, not the girl.
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He was thrown off for not having a patch on his clothing.
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| I agree with Rjaye. Autistic or just bratty NT child, the other passengers have a right to not be subjected to screaming, and why should a plane be held up for hours because of one child? If you're going to subject an autistic child to a frightening, unfamiliar and noisy new environment such as a plane, wouldn't you plan ahead a little better? If I absolutely had to travel with him by plane, I would call ahead and advise the airline, see if I can get onto a very quiet flight and perhaps see if they will seat us in an area without too many other people. It might mean travelling at an inconvenient hour, or paying extra to upgrade, but you know what? Your kid has special needs. If he was in a wheelchair you would need to plan ahead too. I am so sick of parents who subject their autistic kids to things that will freak them out (bright crowded supermarket, noisy birthday party etc) and then scream and complain when things go wrong. Honestly, you wouldn't ask a paraplegic child to walk up stairs or a blind child to cross the road unaided but you throw an autistic into an overwhelming situation and act surprised? These parents need to stop putting their autistic kids in situations they can't handle. |
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Yupa
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| This is not how society treats "us", it is how society treats everyone who refuses to follow the rules and allow others a happy, peaceful existence. |
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andywarhol
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| Rjaye wrote: | Actually, not all of the facts weren't released on this case until recently.
Apparently this kid was not just unruly-he was having a full scale meltdown. Meaning that not a whole lot could be done, even by his mom.
And they were trying to get the plane off the ground, and the child had to have his seatbelt on as per safety regs.
Now there may have been things that could have been handled better, but understanding and compassion can only go so far before it really is invading other people's space and rights. A squalling child is one thing, but one in full meltdown is something else.
Should the plane have held off until the mother was able to get the child calmed down? How fair is that to potentially hundreds of other travellers? And what if the child couldn't calm down because of sensory issues?
And what about others on the plane with their own sensory issues? I can deal with a crying and bratty child, but to be around a full on screaming, flailing meltdown--I can't handle it. So, does all of our "compassion" go to the mom and child at the expense of everyone else? Or was this a case of everyone making the kid suffer. Maybe that kid was better served by being off of that plane. Maybe in Mom's eagerness to stick to her own schedule she overloaded her son, and really wasn't looking to his comfort but her own need?
The captain made the final decision after trying to deal with the situation himself, and being on a timetable, he made what he thought was right was right choice in serving the rest of his customers.
This is not a black and white issue, and it seems everyone could have behaved better if they had considered the special needs of the child, and not the adults. |
I agree with Rjaye. You can only go so far to accomodate someone. The situation should be handled with every person on the flight in mind. Letting the child fly when his behaviour was so unruly just because he is autistic would be discriminatory to autistics and NTs alike. If his behaviour is unsafe, then he may as well not fly. I think the pilot made the right decision for the sake of the passengers and the child.
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If I had been on that plane and had to listen to the child having a meltdown, I would have had a meltdown too. I can't bear the sound of screaming children. In fact, just thinking about it now is making me feel a little weak and shaky. The kid probably needed to get off the plane for his own good anyway - he was clearly in a complete state of panic.
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