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FireFox
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 Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Pluto is no longer a planet. |
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| They've changed it's status to a dwarf planet. They did this back in August of 2006. What are your thoughts on that? The Solar System has only eight planets in the new classification. Pluto is a dwarf planet along with Eris and Ceres. |
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Rainbow-Squirrel
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I LOVE the name "Pluto"... |
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Reodor_Felgen
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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I wish they would let Pluto be a planet. Eris should also be classified as a planet, but Ceres shoul be classified as an asteroid.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | I wish they would let Pluto be a planet. Eris should also be classified as a planet, but Ceres shoul be classified as an asteroid. |
Now that seems a bit arbitrary. Granted Ceres is small, but on what grounds is it qualitatively different from Pluto?
Ceres was originally a planet too. Things change.
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TheMidnightJudge
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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The whole Pluto thing makes no sense.
Has the classification "dwarf planet" always existed or did they just make it up for Pluto? If it always existed this change should have been made a long time ago. |
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twoshots
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| TheMidnightJudge wrote: | The whole Pluto thing makes no sense.
Has the classification "dwarf planet" always existed or did they just make it up for Pluto? If it always existed this change should have been made a long time ago. |
Dwarf Planet was only recently invented (2006). Currently, there are only 3 dwarf planets, officially (Eris, Pluto, and Ceres). In terms of size, Eris>Pluto>Ceres. The official definitions are:
1) A planet1 is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.
(2) A “dwarf planet” is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape2, (c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, and (d) is not a satellite.
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sgrannel
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't care. It's only semantics. We can call it whatever we like, it still is what it is. Not that any of us will ever go there anyway!
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youknowandy
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| wow, i've spent hours discussing planetary definitions and classes on astronomy web sites. i was looking forward to them announcing that we now had twelve planets with many more coming as we learned about the "roundness" of other large solar system bodies. i was disappointed when i learned that they decided Pluto, Ceres, and Eris were not planets. but i was elated that they gave them a new classification of their own to distinguish them from the asteroids and comets and the other eight planets. there IS something different about these bodies and i was glad we now had a term for them. i was relieved that Pluto's orbit would no longer be on the solar system's "map", it was ugly, and i don't want any of these bodies to appear on a "basic" map again. but in the end, dwarf planets are planets no matter what they say. the other "big eight" deserve some kind of special recognition for their domination of their orbits and their ordinal place in the solar system ("dominant planets", "principal planets", or "ordinal planets"), but that doesn't mean that the other objects shouldn't be considered planets. the term dwarf planet works for now, but in the long run is a bad one, since we're likely to discover an object as big as the Earth someday in a highly distant eccentric orbit. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Iam ok with it |
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Iam ok with Pluto getting a new and better term. More info about the inner and outer solor system is being found out and new terms to aid with exploring were needed  |
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Reodor_Felgen
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| twoshots wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | I wish they would let Pluto be a planet. Eris should also be classified as a planet, but Ceres shoul be classified as an asteroid. |
Now that seems a bit arbitrary. Granted Ceres is small, but on what grounds is it qualitatively different from Pluto?
Ceres was originally a planet too. Things change. |
Ceres was originally known as the largest asteroid, but it's still much smaller than Pluto.
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| Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | twoshots wrote: | | Reodor_Felgen wrote: | | I wish they would let Pluto be a planet. Eris should also be classified as a planet, but Ceres shoul be classified as an asteroid. |
Now that seems a bit arbitrary. Granted Ceres is small, but on what grounds is it qualitatively different from Pluto?
Ceres was originally a planet too. Things change. |
Ceres was originally known as the largest asteroid, but it's still much smaller than Pluto. |
Ceres was originally known as the largest asteroid, but it's still much smaller than Pluto.[/quote]When Ceres was originally discovered in 1801, it was called a planet and so were the next three "asteroids" discovered. After that, they decided that there were too many planets and to call these smaller things asteroids. |
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*Dresses up in black, for mourning purposes*  |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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So what's the new mnemonic?
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| twoshots wrote: | | (c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, |
Because of this I've heard people say that Neptune is now a dwarf planet, as Pluto crosses its orbit twice.
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| burnse22 wrote: | | twoshots wrote: | | (c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, |
Because of this I've heard people say that Neptune is now a dwarf planet, as Pluto crosses its orbit twice. |
 That would be an odd outcome. However, a more careful reading gives a better interpretation of "cleared the neighborhood"
| wikipedia, who else? wrote: | | ...As a consequence it does not then share its orbital region with other bodies of significant size, except for its own satellites, or other bodies governed by its own gravitational influence. This latter restriction excludes objects whose orbits may cross but which will never collide with each other due to orbital resonance, such as Jupiter and the Trojan asteroids, Earth and 3753 Cruithne or Neptune and the plutinos. |
Another parameter, the "planetary discriminant", which gives the ratio of a body's mass to the sum of the other bodies which share its "orbital zone", not only puts Eris and Pluto nowhere near in the same league as the planets, it actually puts Ceres ahead of the other dwarf planets in terms of its planetness. 
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