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| slowmutant wrote: | The Catholic Church may never completely accept homosexuals.  |
Quoting the Bible: "No man shall live in with another man."
Paraphrasing the Bible: "Love thy neighbor regardless."
So, where's the consistensy?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Quoting the Bible: "No man shall live in with another man."
Paraphrasing the Bible: "Love thy neighbor regardless." |
Are these the Old and New Testaments you're quoting? The latter supercedes the former, but doesn't totally negate it. But when Jesus said, "Love thy neighbour," I don't think that's what He meant. At least not in that quote. Fact is, Jesus never commented on homosexuality or male-with-male cohabitation to the best of my knowledge. However, Jesus was a Jew, and current Jewish law was pretty unequivocal about that kind of thing. But Jesus clearly didn't care much for the ways of the Pharisees.
I think it's possible to both support and condemn homosexuality with Scripture. Personally, I think Jesus would encourage today's pious Christian gays to become priests. Why? Because it's subversive and flies in the face of current religious authority.  |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | | The Catholic Church may never completely accept homosexuals. |
Well, at least not until *I* become pope. |
Peter II?
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slowmutant
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There was a time when you could more or less buy your way into the papacy, but that time has long past.
Relevance of Peter II? |
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The last pope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope_Peter_II
I can't think of a better one, than AG 
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slowmutant
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If these are indeed the End Times, why don't we have a pope called Peter II?
That's a good point. Maybe it's just traditionally not done out of respect for St. Peter. |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Quote: | Quoting the Bible: "No man shall live in with another man."
Paraphrasing the Bible: "Love thy neighbor regardless." |
I think it's possible to both support and condemn homosexuality with Scripture. Personally, I think Jesus would encourage today's pious Christian gays to become priests. Why? Because it's subversive and flies in the face of current religious authority. |
In my opinion, it would be very rad
if closeted clergy started to come out.
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"End-timers" have been around for centuries, and they've always claimed that it was the end of times. They were doing this in the Seventeenth Century. When we've all rolled into our graves, they'll still be insisting that it's the end of times. When civilization finally does come to an end, they'll insist that they predicted with their dying breath. It's a crap-shoot with unlimited re-rolls.
And the Catholics have always allowed gay clergy. The only reason they're putting restrictions on them now is that they feel threatened by the changing social attitudes toward homosexuality. |
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| Griff wrote: | | "End-timers" have been around for centuries, and they've always claimed that it was the end of times. They were doing this in the Seventeenth Century. When we've all rolled into our graves, they'll still be insisting that it's the end of times. When civilization finally does come to an end, they'll insist that they predicted with their dying breath. It's a crap-shoot with unlimited re-rolls. |
enter: the man-made global warming crowd. |
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| slowmutant wrote: | There was a time when you could more or less buy your way into the papacy, but that time has long past.
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That's what *you* think.
I'd be happy with that job. |
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presbyterians already have gay clergy, whether they approve or not seems irrelevent to me
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| Have Presbyterians really always had gay clergy? Why haven't we heard of this until now? Is it because the best place for a closeted gay man to hide is within the priesthood? But I thought pedophiles and gays were not the same people. Someone is messing with my head, and I don't much care for it. |
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^You're confusing Presbies with Catholics. Our (Presbyterian's) clergy is not infested with pedophiles. We may or may not have had some closeted ministers throughout our history, but so would any other denomination. I don't think Presbyterianism is noted for any higher level of homosexuality, whereas Catholicism is definitely noted for having more pedophiles in the church leadership.
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slowmutant
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Higher level of homosexuality?
And how would any layperson be aware of the closeted gay priests in the Catholic Church? Griff, I'm looking at you. Atheist or not, you really do seem to know a lot about church matters. |
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