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Orwell
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| slowmutant wrote: | Higher level of homosexuality?
And how would any layperson be aware of the closeted gay priests in the Catholic Church? Griff, I'm looking at you. Atheist or not, you really do seem to know a lot about church matters. |
I mean the Presbyterians don't have any kind of reputation for that. Nor do Catholics, but Catholics have acquired a reputation for child predators.
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"Closeted" equals "secret" does it not?
How can a person outside the church be aware of closeted gay priests who have yet to come out? |
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^ first, if you are talking about Presbyterians, they are NOT priests. Call them Ministers.
Second, here I have met a couple of gay ministers, one tried to hit on me (he was a friend of a gay friend, so he may have thought I was gay too). These ministers didn't hide being gay, but didn't flaunt it either.
What's the big deal?
And I have never heard of a Presbyterian minister accused of molesting a child. As Orwell says, that is something the catholics have a reputation for.
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Concerning pedophilic priests of the Catholic Church,
they need to be crucified in my opinion! 
Returning to topic, what's more important
if you were a gay clergy member?
Being gay or being a clergy member?
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| Neither, provided that your homosexuality is not a hindrance in your ministerial life. Can a gay man represent Christ? That depends on the man, doesn't it? If you are able to live the life of a celibate and impoverished minister, your sexuality shouldn't be an issue. |
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slowmutant
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Why such emphasis on priest vs. minister?
Beyond semantics, is there a difference? |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | ...can a gay man represent Christ? ... If you are able to live the life of a celibate and impoverished minister, your sexuality shouldn't be an issue. |
OP was regarding Presbyterians.
Ministers are (usually) neither impoverished nor celibate.
I think a typical salary is about A$60,000 plus a rent free house. It used to be their kids got free or discounted fees in private schools. I don't know if that's still true.
Ministers do not represent Christ. They "minister" to the congregation of their church.
Presbyterian churches are relatively independent and do not have a hierarchy like the Catholic Church. As I understand, the Catholic Church appoints and allocates priests to churches. Presbyterian church elders can advertise and interview for a Minister who is accountable to them. Sometimes they try to "poach" ministers from other churches. If a candidate does not have a compatible outlook and philosophy to the church elders, he will not be selected. If Church elders are comfortable with a gay minister, its no one else's business.
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slowmutant
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Fine, fine. But you know what I mean, don't you? Maybe I was thinking more of Catholic priests, which is my bad.
By ministering to the congregation, they do not do so in the name of Christ? Then who? |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | By ministering to the congregation, they do not do so in the name of Christ? Then who? |
I would describe it as spreading the word of God and doing God's work, as taught to us by Jesus Christ.
They are just men. IMHO they can't do anything in "the name of Christ", just work according to Christ's teaching.
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I see. So ministers differ from priests in that they do not invoke Jesus Christ?
Seriously, I don't know. |
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| BazzaMcKenzie wrote: | | Presbyterian churches are relatively independent and do not have a hierarchy like the Catholic Church. As I understand, the Catholic Church appoints and allocates priests to churches. Presbyterian church elders can advertise and interview for a Minister who is accountable to them. Sometimes they try to "poach" ministers from other churches. If a candidate does not have a compatible outlook and philosophy to the church elders, he will not be selected. If Church elders are comfortable with a gay minister, its no one else's business. |
Mostly right, but we also have a lot of bureaucracy for potential ministers to wade through.
@slowmutant: The difference is that in Presbyterianism (Protestantism in general for that matter) there is no mediator between a believer and Christ as there is in Catholicism. There is not a hierarchy. The minister helps to guide and teach, but does not stand between the laity and God as a Catholic priest does.
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| I see. Thank you for explaining that. |
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