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mightyzebra
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 Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: Does anyone else care for the environment? |
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Doesn't anyone realise we are putting ourselves in huge danger because we are destroying the planet? At least over here in Britain people are starting to realise it, in England there have been severe floods recently and because of the environmental issues.
My best friend's mum is an ecologist and she showed me an old newspaper article (from a good newspaper) which showed that the world be in terrible danger in 2015, danger like really bad global warming and goodness knows what.
Who else on here helps the environment and thinks that everyone else should (and who believes that global warming IS NOT a myth)?
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ja
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'man-made' global warming is the biggest crock of crap that the counter-culture has ever tried to get over on the voting consumer.
If the atmosphere were a 10,000 meter run (6.2 miles), man-made Co2 makes up only the first step-&-a-half. It's bullcrap.
Like the Soviet Union was to communisim, and Saudi Arabia is to terrorism, the green liberal is to environmentalism. |
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| ja wrote: | 'man-made' global warming is the biggest crock of crap that the counter-culture has ever tried to get over on the voting consumer.
If the atmosphere were a 10,000 meter run (6.2 miles), man-made Co2 makes up only the first step-&-a-half. It's bullcrap.
Like the Soviet Union was to communisim, and Saudi Arabia is to terrorism, the green liberal is to environmentalism. |
Worst post ever.
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ja
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http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=296955303510183
"The Carbon Curtain
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Climate Change: Czech President Vaclav Klaus warns that environmentalism is becoming a new totalitarianism. There is still a bear in the woods, but it's no longer the Russian bear. This time, it's a polar bear.
Having lived much of his life in a nation once ruled by communists, Klaus recognizes a tyrannical ideology where elites trample on individual freedoms for the greater good when he sees one.
Speaking Tuesday at the National Press Club to introduce the English version of his book, "Blue Planet, Green Shackles," Klaus said that global warming is being used as a means to erode our freedoms.
Klaus called alarms about man-made climate change a "quasi-noble idea that transcends the individual in the name of something above him" and that it is being exploited by a new elite "certain they have the right to sacrifice man and his freedom to make their idea a reality."
Like Marxism, it will tell us how we can live, what we can drive, what temperature we can set our thermostats. "In the past it was in the name of the masses (or of the proletariat), this time in the name of the planet," said Klaus. "Structurally, it was very similar." "
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cursed_brunette
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I am HUGE into enviromental issues...
As far as global warming~ It is happening, however, in Earth's millions of years there have been many, many, shifts in global climate. Natural global warming & ice ages that follow. It is part of the overall cycle of the planet...
But I believe WE ARE speeding it up.
The main thing I am concerned about is ~ WE ARE POISONING OUR PLANET. Everything from the waterways to the tons of garbage we put in landfills. I guess the thing is that so much of the stuff that goes into landfills can be composted into beautiful, healthy rich soil... that puts back into out earth. Instead of taking, taking, taking.
For instance I have a garden in my yard. (I have been composting for about 10 years) I have created 5 raised beds (from my compost pile) in my garden that hold all the veggies, edible flowers and ornamental flowers I grow. The beds sit on top of the soil. I do not take from the earth to supply some of my nutritional needs. My plants are healthy, large and full. Every year my garden gets bigger & bigger because every year I make new beds. I am starting to think vertically because we are running out of space.
Now compare this to the garden plot I share with my in~laws. My Father~in~law (postindustrial consumer) has been gardening in the same spot for 20years he uses chemical fetilizers. He NEVER composts, nor adds anything organic to the soil. This year he has had to plant and replant the tomato plants 3x's because they kept dying. The seeds I have planted there are smaller than the ones in my yard. But larger than the ones he has planted because I put composting soil from my pile into each hole I had made for my plants. I also water it from a Compost tea I make there. HE cannot fanthom the idea that the soil I have put in and around my plants has made that kind of difference.(but it has)
My garden at home was planted a week after the inlaw plot. The plants in my yard are 3x's the size of his and the ones I planted in his garden a2xs as big... PROOF that natural IS BETTER & HEALTHIER. But he still keeps adding oil based fertilizers to his.... 
We are buying 2 dwarf pear trees this year... 
Additionally, I am starting to phase out PLASTIC everything in my house.
I have switched to using glass & metals ~ dishes for storage in the fridge, I buy milk in glass containers, Glass pitchers for juice, serving dishes.
I will admit there are some instances that only plastic works (like a spray bottle for glass cleaner) HOWEVER, I have switched to refilling the containers with home~made window, bathroom, febreeze. I buy very little pre~packaged cleaners.
I try to cook almost everything homemade and from scratch & buy very little prepackage items... Since I am home now I have started making bread too.
I am starting to utilize the "gray water" in my home (dish and bath water) to conserve on H2O usage... This I am finding a challenge & I would like to find a way to collect & use rain water (without Increasing the mosquito population)
I use reusable shopping totes I purchased, instead of paper or plastic bags.
My kids think (know) I am a nerd & sometimes wonder why I am so gun-ho (sp?) When they don't comply I tell them "You're Polluting MY grand children's planet!!!
There are more and more things I can do... I realize that I am just one person but I am showing many people how to live greener... My kids may live greener, my mother sees the difference & for the first time ever she planted a small personal garden. The neighbors are observing and coming over to find out how to compost.
Also, I am buying chickens this year as they are great bug pest control. & I can eat their eggs (bonus) Next year I want rabbits & composting their poop is great free fertilizer.... and in the future, I would like to get 2 small Dwarf Alpine Goats. |
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Macbeth
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| cursed_brunette wrote: | I am HUGE into enviromental issues...
As far as global warming~ It is happening, however, in Earth's millions of years there have been many, many, shifts in global climate. Natural global warming & ice ages that follow. It is part of the overall cycle of the planet...
But I believe WE ARE speeding it up.
The main thing I am concerned about is ~ WE ARE POISONING OUR PLANET. Everything from the waterways to the tons of garbage we put in landfills. I guess the thing is that so much of the stuff that goes into landfills can be composted into beautiful, healthy rich soil... that puts back into out earth. Instead of taking, taking, taking.
For instance I have a garden in my yard. (I have been composting for about 10 years) I have created 5 raised beds (from my compost pile) in my garden that hold all the veggies, edible flowers and ornamental flowers I grow. The beds sit on top of the soil. I do not take from the earth to supply some of my nutritional needs. My plants are healthy, large and full. Every year my garden gets bigger & bigger because every year I make new beds. I am starting to think vertically because we are running out of space.
Now compare this to the garden plot I share with my in~laws. My Father~in~law (postindustrial consumer) has been gardening in the same spot for 20years he uses chemical fetilizers. He NEVER composts, nor adds anything organic to the soil. This year he has had to plant and replant the tomato plants 3x's because they kept dying. The seeds I have planted there are smaller than the ones in my yard. But larger than the ones he has planted because I put composting soil from my pile into each hole I had made for my plants. I also water it from a Compost tea I make there. HE cannot fanthom the idea that the soil I have put in and around my plants has made that kind of difference.(but it has)
My garden at home was planted a week after the inlaw plot. The plants in my yard are 3x's the size of his and the ones I planted in his garden a2xs as big... PROOF that natural IS BETTER & HEALTHIER. But he still keeps adding oil based fertilizers to his....
We are buying 2 dwarf pear trees this year...
Additionally, I am starting to phase out PLASTIC everything in my house.
I have switched to using glass & metals ~ dishes for storage in the fridge, I buy milk in glass containers, Glass pitchers for juice, serving dishes.
I will admit there are some instances that only plastic works (like a spray bottle for glass cleaner) HOWEVER, I have switched to refilling the containers with home~made window, bathroom, febreeze. I buy very little pre~packaged cleaners.
I try to cook almost everything homemade and from scratch & buy very little prepackage items... Since I am home now I have started making bread too.
I am starting to utilize the "gray water" in my home (dish and bath water) to conserve on H2O usage... This I am finding a challenge & I would like to find a way to collect & use rain water (without Increasing the mosquito population)
I use reusable shopping totes I purchased, instead of paper or plastic bags.
My kids think (know) I am a nerd & sometimes wonder why I am so gun-ho (sp?) When they don't comply I tell them "You're Polluting MY grand children's planet!!!
There are more and more things I can do... I realize that I am just one person but I am showing many people how to live greener... My kids may live greener, my mother sees the difference & for the first time ever she planted a small personal garden. The neighbors are observing and coming over to find out how to compost.
Also, I am buying chickens this year as they are great bug pest control. & I can eat their eggs (bonus) Next year I want rabbits & composting their poop is great free fertilizer.... and in the future, I would like to get 2 small Dwarf Alpine Goats. |
And the sad thing is that despite your well-meaning attempts, nothing you do will make an iota of difference, because Texas on its own makes more of a mess of this planet than the whole of the UK does. China is apparently making the destruction of the environment one of its key "things-to-do", and never mind the rest of the third world, with their apparent complete inability to design, build, or purchase efficient and modern methods of industry, with their systems happily lodged firmly in the mid to late 19th century.
Its a nice thought that if everyone could subsist on the level you are, the world might be a nicer place, but as THE WORLD is not a single coherent entity, its not going to happen. Any given nation might perhaps lessen its environmental impact, but a nation flying solo is not going to have much effect on the rest of them, unless it wishes to extend its desires in a more totalitarian way. Which is of course the problem. Some governments (the UK for example) ARE using green legislation as a way to stamp down on the public. Some local councils have been censured for using ANTI-TERRORISM laws, designed to stop TERRORISTS from committing acts of TERROR to spy on people who have PLACED THE WRONG SORT OF RUBBISH IN THE BIN, which by any strecth of definition is not now, nor will it ever be, and act of TERROR designed to overthrow the government.
Similar events: The desire by government to reduce rubbish collection to monthly, even though this is patently a health risk of the highest order, attracting vermin and creating flies and maggots, and pretty much the quickest way to achieve all manner of disease and illness.
The CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of a man for having allowed his bin lid to be raised by the contents a matter of inches.
Likewise, for a man who is too elderly to retrieve a teabag from the bottom of the wrong bin.
Or how about the woman left to deal with weeks worth of rubbish after binmen refused to collect it, citing that it was "too heavy", despite being a) only half full and b) full of grass cuttings.. oh and c) the fact that they must obviously all be pathetic whiney schoolgirls.
Then we have the potential pay-as-you-throw schemes looming over us, despite the fact that council tax is RISING and we already PAY for rubbish to be removed. Is it worth mentioning the increasingly ludicrous amount of random bins and boxes in a vast panoply of interetsing colours, each for a different item, that our households are garnering? Is it worth noting that half the councils WONT TAKE perfectly recyclable materials away because its the wrong kind of recycling for the area? OR how about the fact that a lot of our recycling gets SHIPPED TO CHINA ON A DIESEL POWERED FREIGHTER... way to offset carbon there. Or even just the fact that the public is penalised and chastised into sorting the bloody rubbish out in the first place when there are a) MACHINES that can do it that already exist, and b) untrained council MONKEYS who could sort the crap out at the other end, creating a much needed job opportunity for someone, at a fraction of the cost of the Advisor on Womens Issues (which is obviously a very important and needed position in any council...)
This is of course after realising how much EXTRA sh** industry insists on ramming around, over or into the things we buy, and insists on making things that BREAK and DIE in a completely needless fashion that the public have NO CONTROL OVER, despite the fact that we can make things that WORK and STAY WORKING for thousands of years.
And thats just the bins... I havent even got started on the hideous, dangerous, f**k ugly giant bloody windmills that everyone insists are a good idea DESPITE costing a fortune and producing LESS power than a perfectly safe nuclear power station. Or the eco-light bulbs that GIVE YOU CANCER IN YOUR FACE when you break them. Or the fact that global warming has nothing to do with the fact that if you build houses on a FLOOD PLAIN then you are going to get FLOODED.. ( The clue is in the name.)
How about carbon footprint offsetting? My house is a few tonnes UNDER the recommended creation levels for carbon..so I can burn fridges for fun! Or maybe lay a few roads, because that traps carbon in a SOLID STATE where it cant get into the environment.. print a few books too, because that also achieves the same.
And as for the black joke that is bio-fuel..
So yes, there is green totalitarianism, and its all around us.
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zshampo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: i agree |
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i believe in helping the environment. however i do not believe that global warming is solely the fault of humans. i think the earth goes through phases of temperature change. in the 70's people thought we were having another ice age. i agree that it is partly human fault, but not all of it. i do as much as i can to help the earth.
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monty
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| beau99 wrote: | | ja wrote: | 'man-made' global warming is the biggest crock of crap that the counter-culture has ever tried to get over on the voting consumer.
If the atmosphere were a 10,000 meter run (6.2 miles), man-made Co2 makes up only the first step-&-a-half. It's bullcrap.
Like the Soviet Union was to communisim, and Saudi Arabia is to terrorism, the green liberal is to environmentalism. |
Worst post ever. |
There are Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. That post falls in more than one category.
The people that argue "humans can't possibly alter something as massive as the Earth" are simply ignorant in terms of the geochemical cycles, biology, physics and math. A few extra parts per million of nitrogen or phosphorous can turn a pristine waterway into a slime-choked cess. That small amount of CO2 was damn important for heat retention and photosynthesis before humans were on the scene, and the amount of CO2 in the air will soon be doubled thanks to human activity.
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Perambulator
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I believe man-made global warming is real and that humans are ruining the earth's atmosphere for most living beings in a far quicker time than we are supposed to.
Death comes to us all eventually but we're speeding it up unnecessarily. Millions of species of butterflies have been lost with the deforestation of rainforests. Scientists know that scores of plant species have been lost with deforestation and overuse of land for farming and urban areas - species that may well have contained ingredients for medical cures or unknown health benefits or even more useful technological applications.
We're losing a lot of potential. We were given a planet with a large variety of life. The way we're going by cutting down so many forests, building and farming animals on so much land, soon we will have almost no variety left. We will have lost so much potential. It might kill us if the recent wave of severe droughts, floods, hurricanes and cyclones continue.
I don't believe there's any point in being pessimistic. As long as we can do anything to help we ought to all do what we can within our means. I recycle most waste, refuse to eat any meat except fish (because farm animals use far more land per capita than other crops), have never driven a car and never go on aeroplane flights.
I use buses and when I feel it's safe enough cycle to where I need to go. I also keep computers, TVs and other electricals and repair them rather for as long as I can rather than constantly replacing them to save resources. I also live in an apartment because as more people can live in apartments per capita than houses they mean less land is taken for human usage which is better for maintaining a diverse, rich habitat around us. |
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cursed_brunette
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Yes I can sit back too. & say "One person can't make a difference." MAybe, I am not making a HUGE difference however, I am doing what I can & IT DOES MATTER...
The thing is THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS ~ IT IS ABOUT EVERYONE"S RESPONSIBILITY AS A GUARDIAN OF THIS PLANET. Yes it IS a hot political topic, but the responsibility still FALLS ON YOU, ME and each and every other human being on the planet. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE POLITICS YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOR, because YOU are responsible for that.
The thing is everyone thinks that there is NO WAY to change politics and quite frankly that is a farce... at least here in the US... if that were true then there would still be slavery, Women would still be UNABLE to vote, and many other things would never have changed... but instead LIKE minded individuals banded together to change the POLITICAL MACHINE and the laws thereby were changed... If this country & your country can change its politics then the pressure would be there for others to follow suit.
The thing is YOU have a CHOICE you can be a nay-sayer & be part of the problem OR you can do WHAT YOU CAN & be part of the answer.
You are right that no one person can make all that much of a difference. The thing is ~ If I only change 5 peoples activites and in turn they change the activities of 5 people, and they change 5 and so on & so forth. The effect is NOT a single HUMAN being doing it it is a group. A group becomes a Block, a block becomes a street, a street becomes a city the city becomes .... Who knows how big it COULD become.... My city now collects yard refuse and it is put into a local compost area... it NO LONGER goes to the landfill. THAT IS HUGE, AN ENTIRE CITY COMPOSTING....
You mentioned a ladies grass clippings being trash... there are not trash they are an unutilized source of nutrients for the soil... Even if you don't want to grow things you can still compost yard waste, and kitchen scrap and after three months, put them on top of you grass. thereby- never needing to buy liquid fertilizer again!!! Compost also deters bugs from killing you plants & grass... Not even to mention the fact IF that lady composted then she would pay less in disposal fees... We also pay for rubbish removal... however I have ONE small trash can every week, ONE for recycling Glass,Auminum,plastic, and ONE shoe box size ~ for the paper I can't compost... I pay nearly nothing in trash fees...
IT IS NOT A SINGLE ACT BUT A SERIES OF ACTS, LINKED TOGETHER IN A CHAIN OF EVENTS THAT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
Here is a funny thing... I HAVE AFFECTED many more people than 5... I collect the leaves & grass clippings from 3 neighbors they come to me when they need soil. I compost them. I NEVER have to buy soil, I NEVER have to buy fertilizer I don't have to buy mulch, I don't have to buy Insecticide. I have shown many family members and neighbors (12) how to compost. I have change the people in the super market from using plastic & paper bags by using canvas totes. MANY PEOPLE... I can't even fanthom that number... I have gone to my daughters school & talked about living green. I have sewn small shopping bags for the girls to pass out in there classes.the bags were made from clothing my daughters have outgrown.
MORE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO LIVE GREEN:
buy only natural renewable products made from cotton, cork, bamboo & others.
Reduce, reuse & recycle WHENEVER & WHERE EVER YOU CAN...
All of the black & white mail I get is shredded and used in the compost as dry material.
I use the internet to do banking & bill paying, then I don't have to get a paper bill.
I have placed myself on a DO NOT MAIL NATIONAL JUNK MAIL REGISTRY.
I have written a letter to the credit card companies asking to be taken off their mailing list, which I mail back to them in their prepaid credit card application envelopes.
I use cotton cloth napkins, instead of paper.
I don't buy papertowels or paper plates.
I use a power strip on the tv's and such and turn them off every night to stop Phantom power drains.
I am readying for the purchase of a scrap wood burning pot bellied stove so I can cut my energy usage. PLUS I get the wood for FREE!!!! Scrap pallets cost me nothing & are reused I just have to pick them up & break them apart.
I am researching government grants that will help me to purchase solar panels for my roof.
I am researching government grants that will help me to purchase a wind turbine.
I ONLY dry my laudry on the cloths line outside, instead of using electric dryer.
Additionally IF you keep your grass at 3" it requires less water, Bugs like the Japanese Beetles find it more difficult to lay there eggs (creating the larval stage grubs that require pesticides), Planting clover replenishes Nitrogen to the grass/lawn thereby creating a healthier lawn. & we have an old fashioned human powered PUSH MOWER (no gas required)
We no longer have nor will we ever have cell phones. (Cell phones interfer with honey bees abilities to go back to the hive)
I walk everywhere I can, the postoffice, the video rental store, . If I go to the pharmacy which is 7 miles away & I have to drive I plan it on a day when I have more than one activity at that end of the city... My dr is at that end too...
Instead of being a "naysayer" why don't we all just put all that effort into being GREEN PEOPLE and doing what we can!!!!
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| ja wrote: | 'man-made' global warming is the biggest crock of crap that the counter-culture has ever tried to get over on the voting consumer.
If the atmosphere were a 10,000 meter run (6.2 miles), man-made Co2 makes up only the first step-&-a-half. It's bullcrap.
Like the Soviet Union was to communisim, and Saudi Arabia is to terrorism, the green liberal is to environmentalism. |
Absolute truth. Global warming is junk science. For every spot on Earth that has warmed a degree in the past two decades, there's another that has cooled. These are normal cycles and have occurred in long, sweeping arcs for billions of years. Man is an insignificant parasite whose only real ability to harm the planet is to incinerate it in a nuclear furnace. The people who preach global warming are scientists who have been bought by corporate sponsors with an interest in perpetrating the myth, or idiots who get all their 'knowledge' from television and magazines. If you can't be bothered to do any real research, at lest read the footnotes in Michael Chricton's novel STATE of FEAR. He's already done the research for you.
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monty
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| Willard wrote: |
For every spot on Earth that has warmed a degree in the past two decades, there's another that has cooled. |
Really? Where is the evidence?? There is a good chance that the entire Arctic Ocean may be ice-fee this summer. Where is the corresponding area of such dramatic cooling that is needed to make your claim true? |
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Perambulator
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Those of you who are sceptical about the concept of man made global warming - can you at least admit one thing? That deforestation of rainforests is resulting in an unprecedented amount of extinctions of plants and creatures.
Whether global warming is occuring or not, surely you can appreciate the disadvantage in losing so many species. As many have pointed out each species lost is causing unknown damage. Who knows each species' relation to the wider world's stability?
Suppose there are two options. One - we stop cutting down rainforests and in a few years when a terrible new infectious disease starts spreading, scientists discover a new plant which offers a cure. On the other hand we could keep cutting down the rainforests and in a few years when the infectious disease occurs we will have lost the antidote.
That's one example. There could be billions more. Human beings can't afford to be so arrogant as to believe we can do whatever we want with the earth. At the very least, for our own survival, we have to treat nature with respect and protect its most valuable assets. |
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| Macbeth wrote: | And the sad thing is that despite your well-meaning attempts, nothing you do will make an iota of difference, because Texas on its own makes more of a mess of this planet than the whole of the UK does [...]
[...]So yes, there is green totalitarianism, and its all around us. |
That was a good post Macbeth. I don't suppose you'll be voting Labour next time around... |
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ja
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Really? Where is the evidence?? There is a good chance that the entire Arctic Ocean may be ice-fee this summer. Where is the corresponding area of such dramatic cooling that is needed to make your claim true?
whatever...
Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080625/sc_afp/sciencegeologyoceansvolcano
Antarctica is getting colder
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0118/p02s01-usgn.html
not only that, but since Dr. Hansen' initial Senate testimony in 1988, it has actually gotten colder
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/1988-2008-climate-then-and-now/
Totalitarianism? You bet -- Environmentalists (read: 'communists', or 'terrorists' to make it easier to understand) want to bring big Republican donors (read 'Oil execs') to trial:
"Are Big Oil and Big Coal Climate Criminals?"
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/are-big-oil-and-big-coal-climate-criminals/
(Big Oil has paid 3x as much in Federal taxes as they've made in profits)
No Ice at the North Pole? Who gives a crap?
New polar routes will save about 4,000 nautical miles on some routes from Europe to the Far East compared to southerly routes through Panama or Suez. Shipments could include cargoes like
grains, frozen fish, oil and gas or cars.
And a route north of Canada, for instance, might save 6,000-8,000 nautical miles for a super tanker from Venezuela to Japan. Vessels too big to pass through the Panama Canal have to go round all of South America.
Polar Bears? Gimme a friggin' break
In 1950, there were 7,000 polar bears. Today they are over 25,000.
If you like polar bears, you must love President Bush.
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