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tcorrielus
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 Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Illegal downloading |
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| I don't get it. What is illegal downloading? I've heard that in France, the gov't will now permanently ban people from the internet if they illegal download stuff on the net 3 times. Does anyone know what is considered illegal downloading? |
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digger1
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Illegal downloading |
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| tcorrielus wrote: | | Does anyone know what is considered illegal downloading? |
Downloading programs that normally cost money for free.
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crackedpleasures
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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It can mean different things. Basically any type of download can be illegal: music files, video files, films, software, porn (  ) can all be spread illegally. Basically an illegal download is a download of a file which is not spread for free through the license holder or copyright holder, and which you don't pay the required fee for.
I doubt any government can execute plans to ban someone from the web after 3 illegal downloads.
1) with dynamic IPs, it is very hard to trace someone's internet activities on long-term basis
2) France has millions of internet users so how is the government going to catch up with all their internet activities and downloads?
3) if you are banned from the web, you can still use a public computer, connection at work or from a friend, and continue your downloading activities.
Basically illegal downloading is a disease with no effective cure existing.
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Vexcalibur
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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That's the reason you must download ilegal stuff as much as possible. Well, at least try downloading it 4 times.
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crackedpleasures
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Just to please you and to mess with Sarkozy (I cannot stand the guy) I will download some extra dosis of illegal adult stuff
Nah, seriously now, I never download anything pornographic or software-related, but I admit I have a large MP3 collection of which only part is legally downloaded.
In fact the line is blurred sometimes: the law here says you can have an MP3 as long as you own a copy of the record of the song. Well, I do have some CDs that are still in my parents house, so although nowhere near me I technically own those records, so if I download the songs from an illegal site : does owning the record make those downloads legal suddenly?
Anyway, I have some MP3s as well that are fully illegal but I am trying to never download full albums, only songs to sort of taste a band. If I really like the band, I will buy the album. I am not holy as in never downloading a song, but I am still stubborn enough to never download entire albums or download from artists that I consider myself a fan of.
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marshall
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| I download music so I can see if I like it. If I don’t like it I don’t listen to it and delete it off my hard drive. If I do like it I buy the CD. A law like that would be annoying. Would mean I have to purchase an album before I can listen to it in its entirety. I wish record companies would set up a way to legally listen to albums free of charge for a limited trial time. |
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Followthereaper90
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Illegal downloading |
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| tcorrielus wrote: | | I don't get it. What is illegal downloading? I've heard that in France, the gov't will now permanently ban people from the internet if they illegal download stuff on the net 3 times. Does anyone know what is considered illegal downloading? |
if they ban u chance net provider to some american etc  your ip will chance to out sider and u cant be banned anymore coz they have no idea u are from french...or then look ip hider 
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Followthereaper90
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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lets just say they never can win pirates  its always someway to round everything...taking outsider service etc....
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ImTheGuyThatDidThat
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....WHAT????
is that illegal? holy snap, gotta go
"not guilty, on the claim of ignorance your honour"
(j/k) hehe
saw in the papers recently (that being anywhere from 2 hours to 2 months
with me) that pirate bay got sued by several companys, big time!!
millions upon millions of $
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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How do they tell if someone is illegally downloading anything?
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Bradleigh
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Tim_Tex wrote: | | How do they tell if someone is illegally downloading anything? |
They are dressed in black while doing it.
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Aalto
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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I'll discuss the music side of it.
Thankfully it has coincided with the advent of on the other side of things, it being easier than ever to make music, and on the side in this happening, more people than ever record just for self-satisfaction and for friends. It's a wonderful, intimate thing. If anyone else has stumbled upon a myspace profile with very few friends yet very engrossing, personal music they'll probably understand what I mean. They could make quite a few brilliant compilations out of these various artists.
As well as this however, there are many who through various causes such as large instrumentation, still have all the money to pay, and all the money to get back from it through selling on their music, and of course, many who just want to get a bit of money from their labour. In correspondance, there are different consumers. Some will only buy it; some will buy it and download if the buying option isn't available on top of this; some will download a fair bit and redeem their digital collection when the opportunity arises; some will download with no intention to redeem the collection to consist of bought items.
For every artist it's impossible seemingly, to predict what concentration of each consumer will tag onto their work. None of these people do any particular harm to the musicians as for each one of them, the artists' fame is boosted ever so slightly, and on top of this the artists make a gain for however many of their works from this are bought. The only exception is the last example, who, were buying the only option, would be forced to buy anyway and are overall very unsupportive, manipulating profit for their personal gain.
Personally, I fit into the category of people who a lot of the time, do try before they buy. At record shops I'll listen before getting whatever seems interesting; I also search around on the internet for digital downloads of full albums. I currently have next to no money on my name, but there have been many occasions in the past of me redeeming my digital collection. In most of the cases indeed, my appreciation for the artists grew. In summary, artists under my consumption roughly make a gain. And in some ways, moreso than the person who only buys. Without the internet's assistance, my tastes would be narrower and would have less room to grow. It is because of the internet that I'm currently listening to classical Indian music right now. Thusly, I'd flick through the Asian section in record browsers and would be likely to find something worth buying. And this is just one example. Potential fans of x like me are just several clicks and typed phrases in from becoming bona fide fans of x, and with our intentions are likely to pay towards x's wages. Through the internet music across the world is easily accessible for those who wish, and information is within the grasp of the masses. Acts that don't gig don't have to worry about not being spotted by a label, and can sign to netlabels or even put out music themselves. Fanbases can be developed at places where it was previously impossible, and fans are scattered worldwide.
There are also cases in which downloading for free is a fair deal. How else can fans access out of print work? If the artists are dead, what's the point in paying those wishing to reap profit from their music? If the artists are on major labels and get paid pittances for every sale, why not download the album for free and send cheques of a few quid to those who actually did some work for the music to reach your ears? In these three main cases I'll download illegally. I just believe in payment for just work and far less for those who are just going to cop out. Without this, it's practically impossible for me to have otherwise heard a plethora of artists.
The deal with netlabels is downloading music on the site, usually for an nonspecific donation. As much as many pay next to nothing for the music, it eliminates the war on pirated music. Because of this it is in my belief that the netlabel will prevail through the plight of the traditional label. |
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ImTheGuyThatDidThat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Bradleigh wrote: | | Tim_Tex wrote: | | How do they tell if someone is illegally downloading anything? |
They are dressed in black while doing it. |
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Followthereaper90
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ImTheGuyThatDidThat wrote: | | Bradleigh wrote: | | Tim_Tex wrote: | | How do they tell if someone is illegally downloading anything? |
They are dressed in black while doing it. |
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acsually they dont know they just asume u are downloading looking how u have been using your bandwith
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Followthereaper90
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ImTheGuyThatDidThat wrote: | ....WHAT????
is that illegal? holy snap, gotta go
"not guilty, on the claim of ignorance your honour"
(j/k) hehe
saw in the papers recently (that being anywhere from 2 hours to 2 months
with me) that pirate bay got sued by several companys, big time!!
millions upon millions of $ |
yes but unfortunally they cant do a sh** about it its all legal in sweden so they can basically do what they want...(they even bougth a island on money they got for those cases )
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