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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: The kind of ignorance that fundamentalism breeds
A little more on the light-hearted side but the ignorance and misinformation is still there and can easily manifest itself in an actual dangerous form either in action or through intolerant rhetoric that can lead much worse later.
Explain why anyone should waste their time watching a video with some dork speaking about Star Trek?
I am sure there's more to the video. I got tired from all the Star Trek talk.
explain why you wasted my time with a response where all you do is moan about that you didn't watch the video.
Because you could have easily overlooked this post in second's time. I couldn't do that with the vid as he went on and on about star trek. _________________ I'm no democRAT, I'm a republiCAN!
The dolt who produced that video does not in any manner represent or speak for the world's 2.1 billion other Christians. He certainly does not speak for me.
"Atheists have never contributed to science?" Hey, I'm Christian, but I can acknowledge that atheists have contributed quite a bit to science.
"Atheism is anti-science because they believe in evolution." Um, wow. Just a load of bull right off.
And plenty of other bone-headed comments.
Star Trek is fiction. You can watch it and find it interesting without buying into any alleged ideological slant. I read the whole Golden Compass series years ago (before it became a big deal) and I'm still a Christian. I've also read Harry Potter without converting to Wicca or anything like that. Fiction is fiction, it can be enjoyed without harming one's beliefs. _________________ WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Joined: Mar 21, 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 5163 Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:16 am Post subject:
there's a reason why i used fundamentalism. my main target here isn't religion so much as it is fundamentalism and use of rhetoric as a means to get people to blindly follow. the sick thing is that he's clearly still a fan and still loves the show.
there's a reason why i used fundamentalism. my main target here isn't religion so much as it is fundamentalism and use of rhetoric as a means to get people to blindly follow. the sick thing is that he's clearly still a fan and still loves the show.
Yeah, I know, I was just clarifying if anyone had doubts about that. Fundies annoy me, because they give normal, rational Christians who are actually decent human beings a bad name. It's pretty sick. And fundies cultivate far too much of a hard-liner stance, with no middle ground between extremist views. I have a friend who went from fundie to atheist after his church rejected him over his sexual orientation, so their attitudes really are driving people away from Christianity. _________________ WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Explain why anyone should waste their time watching a video with some dork speaking about Star Trek?
I am sure there's more to the video. I got tired from all the Star Trek talk.
The reason he went on about how much he loved Star Trek for 3 minutes was to make the point that he was a serious Star Trek fanatic, which he did to emphasize how hurt and betrayed he felt. It goes on for a bit long, I admit, and the video is humorously poorly done, but that part is still important to the video, and the video as a whole is very telling of the fundamentalist mindset.
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The dolt who produced that video does not in any manner represent or speak for the world's 2.1 billion other Christians. He certainly does not speak for me.
No, he doesn't, but you have to understand something here. In his universe, you do not exist. There are no Christians that believe in Evolution or who make statements such as the ones in your post. There are only his kind of Christian. If he were allowed to know of the existence of people like you, it might make him realize that it's possible to believe in Science and still believe in Jesus Christ, which would threaten their version of the faith.
He makes other claims too that have obviously been fed to him. I like how he labels Hitler as a communist when Hitler in fact hated communism. But these comments are only the tip of the iceberg. I live in Florida, the southernmost continental state in the US. I consider myself to be a non-Christian, more of a generic thiest, but I generally keep my mouth shut about that sort of stuff down here. It's considered very taboo to believe in things like that evolution is true or that Jesus was a prophet. This video is interesting, but I've seen plenty of this stuff before over here. I remember my driving instructor. When I trusted him too much and let it slip, telling him that I still believe in GOD and love It very much, he told me how I was going to hell anyway because I didn't love His son. I remember how a psychologist I used to go see laughed at me and my "monkey beliefs" when I revealed them to her. Perhaps one of the most valuable insights I got into this mindset was when my Mom made the poor decision of buying me the government section of Switched-On Schoolhouse during my homeschool years. The level of inaccuracy and biased portrayals was as fascinating as it was disturbing.
The interesting thing about this version of Christianity is how it portrays GOD. You'd think it would be most effective to portray GOD as kind and good, and that this is why we must follow Him, because it is the right thing to do. Instead, it portrays GOD as a selfish, evil monster who hates all his creations and is eager to make them suffer unless they successfully appease them. We thus must obey Him out of fear of the consequences if we don't. I actually have a pamphlet from these people saying that good deeds are a sin because they waste such energy on other people instead of GOD. That's not to say they let it get in the way of hatred. They're more than willing to hate homosexuals, even though they simultaneously stress the unimportance of works and the importance of faith. I remember how my driving instructor explained to me that we don't need to try and be good people because we are automatically that way anyway if we truly believe in Jesus. His then proceeded to imply that as a non-Christian, I was a bad person. Had I spoke my mind, I would have told him to act like a professional and shut the hell up.
I used to consider myself a UUist - tolerant of all religions. I am not tolerant of this. I consider it dangerous and evil and would be willing to do almost anything to help stop it from spreading, especially because studies have shown it is growing in my country at an alarming rate. I guess that makes me a fundamentalist too of a different sort. I don't really care.
The dolt who produced that video does not in any manner represent or speak for the world's 2.1 billion other Christians. He certainly does not speak for me.
No, he doesn't, but you have to understand something here. In his universe, you do not exist. There are no Christians that believe in Evolution or who make statements such as the ones in your post. There are only his kind of Christian. If he were allowed to know of the existence of people like you, it might make him realize that it's possible to believe in Science and still believe in Jesus Christ, which would threaten their version of the faith.
I know, and this is what frightens me. I hear people saying things like "Christians believe/don't believe X" and I wonder "Where exactly in Scripture is that opinion mandated? Are these really the views of all Christians, or did you just hijack my faith to further your own idiot agenda?" Fundies don't care if their views are realistic by any external standard, nor do they seem concerned at the myriad internal inconsistencies they embrace. And they are so vocal that the non-religious community begins to get the impression that all (or most) Christians are bigoted morons.
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He makes other claims too that have obviously been fed to him. I like how he labels Hitler as a communist when Hitler in fact hated communism. But these comments are only the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, he lumps pretty much everything that doesn't line up with his views into one amalgamation that's all part of "Satan's Plan." Sort of a demonic conspiracy theory is what it seems to be.
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That's not to say they let it get in the way of hatred. They're more than willing to hate homosexuals, even though they simultaneously stress the unimportance of works and the importance of faith.
I often have to wonder if these people ever even read the first couple chapters of the NT... "Judge not, that you may not be judged, for the measure you give is the measure you receive." _________________ WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
For one thing, if he's "no longer a Trekkie", then Why is he still wearing the f***ing t-shirt? Anyone who is really that fanatical will make a big exhibition of burning or otherwise destroying those kinds of artefacts.
As for trying spuriously trying to link atheism to Nazi ideologies, that usually gets met with a 3-word answer on FSTDT, so it will be met with the same 3 words here: "Gott Mit Uns".
Either a Poe, to use another FSTDTism, or completely f**** up in the head. _________________ "How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette?"
For one thing, if he's "no longer a Trekkie", then Why is he still wearing the f***ing t-shirt? Anyone who is really that fanatical will make a big exhibition of burning or otherwise destroying those kinds of artefacts.
As for trying spuriously trying to link atheism to Nazi ideologies, that usually gets met with a 3-word answer on FSTDT, so it will be met with the same 3 words here: "Gott Mit Uns".
Either a Poe, to use another FSTDTism, or completely f**** up in the head.
I think he really means it. He would've had to pay for all that, and he went too in-depth and put too much thought into his arguments for it to be a joke.
For one thing, if he's "no longer a Trekkie", then Why is he still wearing the f***ing t-shirt? Anyone who is really that fanatical will make a big exhibition of burning or otherwise destroying those kinds of artefacts.
As for trying spuriously trying to link atheism to Nazi ideologies, that usually gets met with a 3-word answer on FSTDT, so it will be met with the same 3 words here: "Gott Mit Uns".
Either a Poe, to use another FSTDTism, or completely f**** up in the head.
I think he really means it. He would've had to pay for all that, and he went too in-depth and put too much thought into his arguments for it to be a joke.
Having glanced over his other videos where apparently he rants for about two hours about a website he doesn't agree with, I'm revising my original statement - you are right, there's no Poe in this whatsoever. _________________ "How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette?"
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