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sartresue
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 Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: Buzzed driving is NOT drunk driving |
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The buzz on driving topic
I question why the use of the word 'buzzed' in the first place. Substances altering brain function/reaction time result in impaired driving.
We need technology to test impairment other than from alcohol, whether from drugs, lack of sleep, stress or whatever. There are also medical issues (seizures, dementia) which impact on driving judgment. Driving is a serious skill. It is a privilege, not a right.
Distracted drivers also constitute a hazard. Errors in judgment can result in driver death.
Drag racers are another.
Road safety trumps individual driving privilege. Better safe than sorry.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| I could not have said it better myself. |
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BokeKaeru
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| The problem is, where do you draw the line, especially with alcoholics who have a pattern of denial, excuses and rationalizations for their behavior? It is a general rule for me that people know what is best for them and should be able to make decisions based on this, but only when no one else is likely to get hurt. And when one person who says he's "buzzed" looks completely trashed to the rest of the world, but nonetheless insists on driving, especially with someone else in the car, whose wants and needs take priority, really? |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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The breathalyzer never lies.
For the DUI laws to be effective, it must be zero-tolerance and apply to everyone, regardless of who or why. If the cops pull someone over for straddling lanes and turns out it's Jesus Christ Himself, I want for them to give Jesus Christ a field sobriety test. That's how I feel about this.
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Phagocyte
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | The breathalyzer never lies.
For the DUI laws to be effective, it must be zero-tolerance and apply to everyone, regardless of who or why. If the cops pull someone over for straddling lanes and turns out it's Jesus Christ Himself, I want for them to give Jesus Christ a field sobriety test. That's how I feel about this.
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That's anti-Christian. I hear the big J hits the brewskies pretty hard.
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skafather84
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slowmutant
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You're going to defend impaired driving to the hilt, aren't you ska?
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | You're going to defend impaired driving to the hilt, aren't you ska?
Bravo. |
i'm defending against an unfair law that victimizes people who aren't impaired.
buzzed driving is not drunk driving. |
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slowmutant
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If you want to operate within the fringes of the law, go right ahead. This is like trying to beat a statutory rape charge by invoking different geographical time-zones, attacking the integrity of the arresting officers. She may be a technically minor in one, but in another she's legal I swear ...
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | If you want to operate within the fringes of the law, go right ahead. This is like trying to beat a statutory rape charge by invoking different geographical time-zones, attacking the integrity of the arresting officers. She may be a technically minor in one, but in another she's legal I swear ...
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quit with the ad hominem. because i question the world around me and you just sit around like an animal and accept it doesn't mean i'm guilty of anything. just means that you're below me.
/my ad hominem for the day, you judgmental jerk |
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slowmutant
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| Okay. I'll stop. |
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MR
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | | buzzed driving is not drunk driving. |
I think you are being overly literalist. It's an ad campaign, not a law.
The ad campaign is meant to convey a point. Don't drive while impaired. It does NOT mean there's no difference between buzzed and drunk. Nor is is meant as a legal description.
Now, I've nothing against having a tendency to take things literally. I tend to do that do.
But, here we have something where the literal message just isn't the point. The idea is, driving while "buzzed" is unsafe. And it's a simple message, for the general public. Not an exact legal description of how much alcohol is okay.
Now, if you have an problem with drunk driving laws, that's something different. Don't conflate that issue with this ad campaign aimed at reducing driving under the influence. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| MR wrote: | | Now, if you have an problem with drunk driving laws, that's something different. Don't conflate that issue with this ad campaign aimed at reducing driving under the influence. |
the two are intertwined. BAC .08 is an arbitrary number, not a physical status of being. .08 reacts differently for different people. the totalitarian viewpoints expressed in the propaganda is also reflected in the wording and execution of the law. |
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Phagocyte
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Let's all be honest for a moment. Skafather - you claim that it's absolutist and inaccurate and you are still perfectly able to operate a vehicle "buzzed," which is a completely different state than drunk. Okay, I agree. So now what? Do you understand how completely fuzzy that is to attempt to make laws around that premise? If an officer suspects drunk driving and pulls over a car, how does he confirm that he's not merely buzzed?
And what, exactly, is the big deal? Is it that difficult to drive without a drink in you?
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MR
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| In order to make an effective argument against a viewpoint, you have to understand that viewpoint. Until you can do that, I think you arguments won't convince anyone who doesn't already agree. |
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