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skafather84
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| monty wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: |
i disagree on principle. |
Ah - So you are a dim person who can only think in absolutist terms and opposes reasonable regulation for the public good that might conceivably not be 100% just. Well, might as well throw out all laws and punishments, then ... passing a law against murder might mean that someone is falsely convicted of murder someday.
(Now THAT statement is an ad hominem - the same one you leveled against me a few posts above.) |
the most i've said in regards to drunk driving is that buzzed driving is nowhere near the same and that i disagree with the .08 BAC as a standard for measuring someone's ability to drive.
that's nowhere near absolutist but because you guys deficated yourself over the mere notion that someone would challenge a law that is held so sacred, you've yet to even really gather much of what my viewpoint really is.
all you guys have done is attack me, call me a murderer, a drunk driver (which i DO NOT do, i make sure i'm safe to drive before getting in a car), and not once has anyone gone what's your views. you've applied an absolutist viewpoint on me because you are too dim to grasp anything beyond a yes or no response. but i've yet to flesh out my viewpoints on drunk driving. i'm not saying there should be no laws, i'm saying the current laws victimize people and need to be refined and the propaganda of "buzzed driving is drunk driving" contributed to such absolutist viewpoints as is made EXTREMELY obvious by this thread.
way to fail, guys. |
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skafather84
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| Phagocyte wrote: | | If an officer suspects drunk driving and pulls over a car, how does he confirm that he's not merely buzzed? |
how about road blocks where they make everyone take a breathylizer test?
if someone is driving erratically, that is very good reason to pull them over. the open container law is also very fair.
.08 BAC isn't fair. |
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slowmutant
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Why is it so important that you have some booze in you before getting behind the wheel? Just drive sober like everyone else. Trying to circumvent the law and claiming some divine right to do so really is elitist. You think you can pick and choose which laws you'll obey? This won't end well if the cop smells something on your breath.
You so greasy. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | Why is it so important that you have some booze in you before getting behind the wheel? Just drive sober like everyone else. Trying to circumvent the law and claiming some divine right to do so really is elitist. You think you can pick and choose which laws you'll obey? This won't end well if the cop smells something on your breath.
You so greasy. |
you obviously have no social life and do not imbibe alcohol if you spout out such nonsense. no one specifically drinks with the intention of getting behind the wheel.
please be quiet if you have nothing useful to add to the conversation. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Answer the questions I posed to you. |
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monty
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: |
the most i've said in regards to drunk driving is that buzzed driving is nowhere near the same and that i disagree with the .08 BAC as a standard for measuring someone's ability to drive.
that's nowhere near absolutist but because you guys deficated yourself over the mere notion that someone would challenge a law that is held so sacred, you've yet to even really gather much of what my viewpoint really is.
all you guys have done is attack me, call me a murderer, a drunk driver (which i DO NOT do, i make sure i'm safe to drive before getting in a car), and not once has anyone gone what's your views. you've applied an absolutist viewpoint on me because you are too dim to grasp anything beyond a yes or no response. but i've yet to flesh out my viewpoints on drunk driving. i'm not saying there should be no laws, i'm saying the current laws victimize people and need to be refined and the propaganda of "buzzed driving is drunk driving" contributed to such absolutist viewpoints as is made EXTREMELY obvious by this thread.
way to fail, guys. |
Actually, I merely compared the attention needed for driving to the attention needed for piloting a plane or doing surgery, and made light of the idea that current laws on cell phones/drinking and driving are fascist. Then you called me a dim absolutist. So give yourself a prize for starting the ad hominems between us. |
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slowmutant
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You think the law cares if you happen to disagree with it?
It doesn't. Get used to having certain laws, or get used to going to court. |
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techstepgenr8tion
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| slowmutant wrote: | If the cops pull someone over for straddling lanes and turns out it's Jesus Christ Himself, I want for them to give Jesus Christ a field sobriety test. That's how I feel about this.
Yay Jesus!  |
Nah, he's got a heck of a DD service. Might need to go out drinking with him one of these times. Downtown I can hail a cab and all that but the flying chariots of fire - can't get their attention for the life of me. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| monty wrote: | | Then you called me a dim absolutist. So give yourself a prize for starting the ad hominems between us. |
another reading comprehension genius. i was addressing slowmutant there and, i could be wrong, but i think i quoted him in that too.
and you avoided my response and are still speaking from a dim absolutist point of view.
yeah, it'd be peachy and nice and rosey if everyone was absolutely safe but that isn't reasonable and the current laws regarding drinking aren't especially reasonable either because they do not take into account the individual. |
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monty
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: |
yeah, it'd be peachy and nice and rosey if everyone was absolutely safe but that isn't reasonable and the current laws regarding drinking aren't especially reasonable either because they do not take into account the individual. |
I agree, but I think we need to draw a line somewhere. If that makes me an 'absolutist', so be it.
Until tommorrow, I bid you adieu. |
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Quatermass
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But they act as a decent enough benchmark. They'll do other tests later to confirm this.
| skafather84 wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | You're going to defend impaired driving to the hilt, aren't you ska?
Bravo.  |
i'm defending against an unfair law that victimizes people who aren't impaired.
buzzed driving is not drunk driving. |
You're a lunatic, and I am glad that you are on the other side of the Pacific to me.
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.08 BAC isn't fair. |
Says the Californian who has never lived in Australia. Would you like some cheese with your whine? I recommend Mersey Valley, you might like it. Crumbly, with a bit of a sharp taste.
While I will not dispute that alcohol affects people differently (my parents are a good example of this), I will dispute that 'buzz driving' is harmless. You clearly have not been in any major road accident (especially one involving alcohol), or else you do not have a clear desire to stay out of one.
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slowmutant
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Skafather, are you addicted to alcohol?
Can you not function without booze in your system? |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Quatermass wrote: | | While I will not dispute that alcohol affects people differently (my parents are a good example of this), I will dispute that 'buzz driving' is harmless. You clearly have not been in any major road accident (especially one involving alcohol), or else you do not have a clear desire to stay out of one. |
the context and implication with the ad is "even if you've had a little to drink, remember that buzzed driving is still drunk driving". it's a call to absolutism with regards to alcohol and drinking. i challenge that and use the basis of the idea that consuming smaller amounts relative to the person and just being buzzed and not drunk is relatively harmless.
and why would my being in an accident make any difference other than the potential for me to not be able to look at the situation objectively? |
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skafather84
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| slowmutant wrote: | Skafather, are you addicted to alcohol?
Can you not function without booze in your system? |
a.) we're not discussing me
b.) i'm nowhere near an alcoholic
c.) will you quit harassing me like this? seriously...stop it. |
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Quatermass
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| skafather84 wrote: |
and why would my being in an accident make any difference other than the potential for me to not be able to look at the situation objectively? |
Actually, it would give you more evidence to be afraid of the stupid (expletive) that are currently clogging up the roads like so many cholesterol masses in a atherosclerotic blood vessel.
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