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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:21 am    Post subject: Pronoun reversal in autistic children Reply with quote

I have read that it is common for autistic children to refer to themselves as you and the person to whom they are speaking as I. The usual explanation is that they hear themselves addressed as you and the person who is speaking refers to themselves as I. But the same applies to non-autistic children who also reverse their pronouns when they start speaking. I have read that autistic children continue to reverse pronouns for longer than non-autistic children, and not use the word I to refer to themselves, because they have a weak sense of self. So why do autistic children continue reversing their pronouns for a longer time than non-autistic children?

Children, autistic and non-autistic, need to learn the use of subject and object pronouns: I/me, he/him, she/her and they/them. I have read that it is fairly common for children to use me rather than I when they are learning language. A relic of the use of me as subject is found in the rather archaic word methinks, which is derived from the Anglo-Saxon me thyncth. In languages where nouns have case endings such as for subject and object, as in Russian and I believe Finnish, then children would need to learn their correct use and they inevitably make mistakes. But that is part of learning language.

In languages in which there is a formal you and an informal you, such as French with vous and tu, children need to learn their appropriate use.

I assume that deaf children when learning a Sign Language also reverse the signs for you and I.

I don't remember if I ever reversed my pronouns.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verbal impairment is why.

I still do it now and again; I refer to myself as "me" when I'm comfortable with the person I'm talking to, or "Daniel" when I'm a little overwhelmed due to talking in a social context [on the 'net] or I'm just overwhelmed.

I know how to use English correctly, it just feels more comfortable to refer to myself as "Daniel". I use third person to refer to others too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've spoken of myself in the third person before, and though I rarely do it, I probably still fall into it when I am uncomfortable. In fact, scratch that "probably." I do.
However, what I frequently do is say "we" when I mean "I." It's not that I don't understand that I'm singular or anything (hey, that's a great double-meaning), but I feel much more comfortable saying "we." It's putting less of myself out there, and including myself in a group (which immediately makes anything I say seem, at least to me, more acceptable). I need to learn to default to the "I" rather than the "we."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I talk properly, but when I have an internal monologue going, I often get my pronouns mixed up. I think of it as a Spoonerism. For me it seems to be a coordination thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: it's easy..... Reply with quote

I can visualize my answer, let's see if I can put it into words.

My son is a 6 year old autisic boy, when he wants his shoes tied he will come to me or my wife and say "tie your shoes please." He is so used to hearing us say, "your" when referring to his things, he thinks that the posessive term for his shoes is "your." If we always said to him "do you want you to tie my shoes", he would learn that to get his shoes tied he would have to say "tie my shoes please." Since we want to model the correct pronoun usage, we use the right words and then correct him when he is wrong. It seems almost counter productive but what are the choices? When we do correct him we will gesture when using the pronouns to better reinforce who we are referring to.

Did I convey that idea successfully (even if you don't agree with it?)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never realized that this was a sign of autism until recently. Then I realized that it was something I do semi-often, even now as an adult. It's too scary to say "I," because it requires taking responsibility for an opinion and the reactions thus.

Just my opinion.
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