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Chibi_Neko
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 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: YouTube ordered to hand over user details |
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| Quote: | A U.S. federal judge has ordered Google Inc. to hand over to media giant Viacom the records of every video users have watched on the video-sharing site YouTube, records that include users' names and IP addresses.
Viacom is suing Google for not doing enough to keep its copyrighted videos from television shows such as The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report off the popular website YouTube.
Viacom, which owns several U.S. television networks including MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central and Spike TV, alleged in $1-billion US lawsuit launched in March 2007 that almost 160,000 unauthorized clips of its programming are available on YouTube. Those clips have been viewed more than 1.5 billion times, Viacom charged.
The company argued it needed access to the information on user viewing habits to prove that copyright-infringing material is more popular than user-generated videos on YouTube, which would strengthen its case against Google.
In a ruling issued on Tuesday, Louis Stanton, a judge with the U.S. District Court for the southern district of New York, agreed with Viacom and ordered Google to turn over the information.
Google argued user data should not be handed over because of privacy concerns, but Stanton dismissed those concerns as "speculative."
San Francisco-based privacy advocacy group The Electronic Frontier Foundation said the ruling was "a setback to privacy rights, and will allow Viacom to see what you are watching on YouTube.
"We urge Viacom to back off this overbroad request and Google to take all steps necessary to challenge this order and protect the rights of its users," wrote EFF's senior staff attorney Kurt Opsahl on Wednesday.
Viacom also asked for the underlying code Google and YouTube use to search for keywords and video in order to demonstrate what Google could be doing to block infringing videos. They also wanted access to Google's advertising database scheme in the hopes of proving that infringing videos are driving advertising revenue.
But the court denied these requests, arguing the code and ad data was too valuable to Google.
YouTube and Google should not be made to place this vital asset in hazard merely to allay speculation," said Stanton. "A plausible showing that YouTube and Google’s denials are false, and that the search function can and has been used to discriminate in favour of infringing content, should be required before disclosure of so valuable and vulnerable an asset is compelled."
At issue in the case is whether Google has fulfilled its requirements under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
The DMCA gives websites protection against infringement claims provided copyrighted material is removed upon notification. Viacom has argued Google could do a better job of blocking the infringing material but doesn't do so because infringing material makes up a significant portion of the website's traffic.
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I am getting tired of all of this corprate nonsense.... these days I don't feel that my IP address is safe anymore....
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jamescampbell
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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those companys only became interested when a big company with loads of money took over youtube.
"Money is the Source of Salvation and Sin" - Me. |
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DocStrange
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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great. now they'll know that all I due on Youtube is watch music videos from the record label or artists' page or original content. They can't go after me for watching a Muse video that Muse themselves uploaded.
But still, the modern world is seeming more and more Orwellian.
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findingthetruth
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not right for people to use any work of others for their own personal use, nor for criminals and bullies to use this media for cruelty nor is it right for the government to violate our freedom of speech. So how should it be dealt with? This is a confusing issue. |
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monty
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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I am downloading freenet from freenetproject.org. It is a censorship resistant publishing system that makes things more anonymous... currently being used by dissidents in China, among other places. Last time I tried it (a few years ago), it was slow and not predictable ... maybe better now.
There are also proxy servers that anonymize your visits as far as most websites are concerned - these slow things down and are not a fool-proof method of protecting privacy, but are pretty good. I am assuming that if someone is under scrutiny from a very powerful entity (due to their involvement in terrorism or other crime) such methods will not protect them. But if you want to keep your IP hidden from YouTube or some other web site, it works acceptably.
Anyone with more info on this? I have not been active in cryptography/privacy/security for a while. |
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roygerdodger
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MisterHeron
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Question, why do they need user data here? They should be able to run a bot over the site to see exactly how many times each video has been viewed. There is no need to violate the privacy of everyone who has used the site...
If they wanted the IP addresses for copyrighted videos, I could understand, but it looks like this judgment was far overreaching. I love how they stopped just at the point it would have been a risk to google to release information... |
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monty
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| MisterHeron wrote: | Question, why do they need user data here? They should be able to run a bot over the site to see exactly how many times each video has been viewed. There is no need to violate the privacy of everyone who has used the site...
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Sure, but they also want to punish YouTube, and ultimately destroy it. I knew a lawyer once who worked for a specialty manufacturing company - I remember him saying something about lawsuits with their competitors ... if anyone mucked with them, they would file lawsuits to drain their competitors bank accounts, lowering stock price, and sometimes, ultimately bankrupt them. No different here - business is a serious game, and the people who visit YouTube are bystanders. Unless they routinely upload videos from Viacom.  |
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Delirium
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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If Youtube possibly being shut down leads to the end of Chris Crocker and all other Youtube "celebrities," along with the inane user comments on videos, I'm all for it.
That said, it is pretty useful.
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Chibi_Neko
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Looks like youtube is fighting back
| Quote: | Viacom has backed off its demands to gain access to the viewing habits and personal data of YouTube users, information it had originally asked for in its copyright infringement lawsuit against the video-sharing website.
The two sides agreed on Monday that any material YouTube was ordered to hand over would be stripped of personal information, including user ID, IP address and visitor ID.
"We are pleased to report that Viacom, MTV and other litigants have backed off their original demand for all users' viewing histories and we will not be providing that information," YouTube wrote on its company blog Monday. The company also posted a copy of the stipulation to the order on its website.
Viacom, which owns several U.S. television networks including MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon and Comedy Central, had originally asked for the information as part of its $1 billion US lawsuit against YouTube, which is owned by internet search giant Google Inc.
Other plaintiffs in the lawsuit include the English soccer Premier League and music publisher Bourne Co. Viacom and the other plaintiffs alleged in the suit, launched in March2007, that almost 160,000 unauthorized clips of its programming are available on YouTube. Those clips have been viewed more than 1.5 billion times, Viacom charged.
It argued Google wasn't doing enough to keep its copyrighted videos from television shows such as The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report off YouTube.
It had originally asked for access to the user histories to prove that copyright-infringing material is more popular than user-generated videos on YouTube.
Two weeks ago a U.S. federal judge ordered YouTube to hand over this information, a decision San Francisco-based privacy advocacy group The Electronic Frontier Foundation said was "a setback to privacy rights."
Viacom issued a statement Monday, saying it never asked for personally identifiable information and only wanted the data as evidence in its case.
"Viacom will use the data exclusively for the purpose of proving our case against YouTube and Google," the company said in a statement.
At issue in the case is whether Google has fulfilled its requirements under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
The DMCA gives websites protection against infringement claims provided copyrighted material is removed upon notification. Viacom has argued Google could do a better job of blocking the infringing material but doesn't do so because infringing material makes up a significant portion of the website's traffic.
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jamescampbell
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| score one for the interweb |
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ToadOfSteel
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| If youtube falls another upstart will rise to take its place. Such is the internet world... |
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Everchanging
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| monty wrote: | | MisterHeron wrote: | Question, why do they need user data here? They should be able to run a bot over the site to see exactly how many times each video has been viewed. There is no need to violate the privacy of everyone who has used the site...
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Sure, but they also want to punish YouTube, and ultimately destroy it. |
I think there's more to it than just punishment. Viacom will have gone into this with the ulterior motive of getting massive amounts of data from one of the most popular websites in the world which, let's face it, has enormous - potentially incalculable? - value as market research material, and getting it for free. They could have just as easily presented their case if they had the anonymous aggregate statistics for videos that they've ended up with.
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Trigger11
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I can watch their programming for free on my TV, so why shouldn't it be available for free on YouTube?
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jamescampbell
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Trigger11 wrote: | | I can watch their programming for free on my TV, so why shouldn't it be available for free on YouTube? |
they get money from their ads but not from youtube |
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