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marshall
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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Consonant or Dissonant Music? |
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| In your music preferences do you prefer consonance or dissonance? I find that only dissonant music really moves me deeply. |
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Postperson
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| please explain the difference. |
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Alternative
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Both. |
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techstepgenr8tion
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| I find I like music that's very tactile and kinetic (that could even be acoustic at times when string hits and textures are really emphasized and used as a device of sorts). On moods, dissonance can really deepen them; ad a bit of grit and either depressive character or add more of a sense of esoteric place for it. Consonance has its place for sure, just that I think either without the other seems a bit dry as they each build off of each other and if anything it seems like the more sophisticated that interplay the better. |
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crackedpleasures
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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what do those terms mean?
(if someone knows the translation in my native Dutch then this is probably easiest, otherwise a small word of explanation would come in handy  )
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Tempy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| Postperson wrote: | | please explain the difference. |
*nod nod* please |
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Tempy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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oops double post sorry
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history_of_psychiatry
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Dissonant means it has more of a "harsh" or "atonal" sound. Consonant is the opposite. I like both.
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Tempy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| i guess it depends then, but i dont do harsh too much. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I like both as well.
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marshall
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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By dissonant I mean music that has a few notes that seem out of key. It makes the music more tense and moody.
I think most people might call the following dissonant.
http://www.last.fm/music/MUM/_/Small+Deaths+Are+the+Saddest?autostart
I guess most of what I think of as "dissonant" is actually a mixture of consonant and dissonant. I don't care as much for purely atonal music as it sounds almost random. Some atonal music can work for me though it has to have multiple layers.
Punk vocals tends to be slightly dissonant as well, either on purpose or because the singer just has a bad voice. Usually the former is better than the latter though because it's more controlled.
I find music that completely lacks dissonance kind of dull. |
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JohnHopkins
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Why limit yourself? Surely aside from the dissonant parts of the song, all music is consonant, otherwise the entire piece would have to clash constantly?
Dissonance is a beautiful thing, but it can be a kind of consonant music in itself. |
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beef_bourito
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| i think i'm more on the consonant side of things, although i do like some dissonance. i really liked the piece that was posted, but most of the music i listen to is pretty consonant. |
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techstepgenr8tion
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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If that's what adapted dissonance is then I'd have to say a lot of what I like falls more to that end. Sounds like what your saying about good dissonance, it keeps a bit of melody, with enough off and countermelody to pull at emotion more and in addition - a lot of rather slippy, glitching, hanging, stuttering, stunting, generally making the beat convulse and jackhammer in an unnatural way.
This makes me want to start another thread, just on what really defines 'ill'ness or 'sick'ness in music. To me its a very strategic use of dissonance, hightened dysphoria, larger-than-life type stuff, aiming for more sublime beauty than what we'd think of in pop culture as beauty. Part of why I think I hook so hard into darker-edged drum&bass as well as trip hop is just that; VERY well-played dissonance in both texture and emotion (the emotion when there's enough counter-elements in the melody gets extremely sophistocated). I think its something though where you either crave it or you don't, probably based on how a person emotionally processes music as well as how they emotionally process life. Jungle in particular though, the good Metalheadz, Prototype, Virus, Renegade Hardware, its main fuel is controlled and stylized dissonance.
I could provide examples but then again I'm dropping em all the time on the listening thread. |
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Aalto
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| It's such a trivial matter. I'd far prefer Iannis Xenakis applying to music form a work of postmodernist architecture than Blink-182, and I'd rather hear Bach over the Happy Flowers. |
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