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asplanet
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CockneyRebel
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I don't think that human genetics should be tampered with.
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Watch out for all those Slippery Slopes!
I have no problem with parents being able to choose the gender of their child. As the last male heir in my family, and already having a wonderful daughter, if I have another child, I'd specifically like to have a son to carry on the family name. Means nothing to anyone but me (and shouldn't as it's nobody's business), still it's an important personal issue.
Besides, do you really think stopping a scientific or medical procedure in one area will prevent it's practice globally? Have we learned nothing from the cloning and stem cell arguments? If you won't let Dr Jekyll do it, Dr Frankenstein will. The knowledge genie simply will not stay in it's bottle.
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twoshots
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People have every right to choose exactly what kind of offspring they wish to have. It is no one else's business.
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asplanet
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| twoshots wrote: | | People have every right to choose exactly what kind of offspring they wish to have. It is no one else's business. |
Sorry that I can not agree with, as being a twin I know for a fact if my mother had a choice she would of only had the boy, she did not want twins or another girl, that would of meant I would not of been born.
I agree with CockneyRebel "I don't think that human genetics should be tampered with"
Nature should not be turned into an experiment, there are thousands of unwanted babies out there, or do people only want a child if stereo type "norm" 
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| People should be able to choose the sex of their biological child the same way they are able to choose the sex of an adopted child. Heck, if there were sex selection allowed for biological kids, there might not be so many baby girls living in orphanages in China. |
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kip
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| Mage wrote: | | People should be able to choose the sex of their biological child the same way they are able to choose the sex of an adopted child. Heck, if there were sex selection allowed for biological kids, there might not be so many baby girls living in orphanages in China. |
Mage has a point.
I personally don't think I'd want to choose the sex of my children, but just because I don't want to, doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. But there should be some sort of regulation... like you can only choose once or something. That way the world doesn't end up with a shortage of one gender.
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We need to stop tampering with the fine fabrics of human composition....
if we don't, we'll pay for it one day (and no, i'm not talking about 'going to hell').
We'll be making a horrible new society where if your children aren't genetically tampered with, then you'll be an outcast of society (and that IS my business). If you think discrimination is bad now, it'll only get worse with this. Skin color/eye color/hair texture/Asperger's Syndrome etc. will no longer be things that "are out of our control"....they WILL be in our control which will give justification to such discrimination.
Plus, what if these geneticists make some huge awful mistakes? They could make a horrible new disease, infertility, etc. etc. It's things like this that could mean the end of the entire human race. We need to stop ourselves from destroying ourselves. |
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asplanet
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| Cyanide wrote: | | We need to stop ourselves from destroying ourselves. |
Some great points and agree, even if choice is/were allowed each child is a unique individual never any guarantee 100% anyway if you and that child will get on.. the child you may not of allowed, may of meant to be...
While its sad there are many baby girls living in orphanages in China, there is the answer if you want a baby girl. But really what right do any of us have to decide, I never wanted to know and really did not mind, I have lost a child myself and know how hard it can be and the need to really want a child. And to be honest if you really want a child that badly, can not see why choice would need to come into it....
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Chibi_Neko
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The male population is going to expload if this kind of thing is easy to access. Large cultures in the east (India and China) prefer males, and because of China's one child policy, many parents abort female fetuses so that they can try again for a boy. The boy-girl ratio is already out of balance, and if this where to contiune, people could go to great lenghts to get a bride like human-smuggling.
I am pro-choice, but gender-selective abortion to me is a BIG no-no.
If I where to have a baby I would prefer a girl, but If a boy came out I would still love it, it was nature's choice. I don't give a hoot about 'passing on the family name' crap. Hell I am not even changing my name when I get married next month.
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asplanet
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Chibi_Neko - I agree to me a child is a gift not a right, and what ever sex you can not predict what type of child you will have anyway.
I have 2 boys and people use to say wouldn't you of like one of each and I would reply of what, to me it was an insult of my beautiful children that others could even think I would want it any other way, apart from nature and what was intended. Of course its all down to stereo type media portrayal of what life should be like, still lucky us aspies do not follow the masses "norm" in general 
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tweety_fan
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| Chibi_Neko wrote: | The male population is going to expload if this kind of thing is easy to access. Large cultures in the east (India and China) prefer males, and because of China's one child policy, many parents abort female fetuses so that they can try again for a boy. The boy-girl ratio is already out of balance, and if this where to contiune, people could go to great lenghts to get a bride like human-smuggling.
I am pro-choice, but gender-selective abortion to me is a BIG no-no.
If I where to have a baby I would prefer a girl, but If a boy came out I would still love it, it was nature's choice. I don't give a hoot about 'passing on the family name' crap. Hell I am not even changing my name when I get married next month. |
i agree with what u say. gender selective abortion is not right. as for the passing on the family name thing, that is just old fashioned. a woman can keep her own name, take her husbands name or just hypenate the two eg Smith-Bradley. |
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Dantac
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I'd agree with it only if its to prevent genetic issues that are carried in a family to a certain gender.
AS for example.. from what I read most females with AS don't survive in the womb for some reason so the ratio of male:female AS is not 50:50. If my family had my grandpa, father and myself with AS i'd choose my kid to be male rather than risk the death of the girl. a 25% chance to be born is not good odds in my book.
I'll admit though.. that if they find the way to select hair color and eye color I'd be sorely tempted to use that service. |
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Tahitiii
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Gender selection |
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As long as it's not compulsory (overt or covert) I don't see a problem with giving the parents a choice. You've already got five (or so) potential people in that test-tube. Why should one have more legal rights than another? And why should that stranger holding them make a choice?
Also, if you are a stable couple and in a position to be involved with in vitro fertilisation, you are obviously not disabled. Your existence is a part of the solution to the world's ills, not the problem. Any procreation on your part would be a gift to the world, and not a curse.
More men than women in China? Or in an overpopulated world in general? Why is that a big-picture problem? That little girl in an orphanage is a problem, but it will not be remotely addressed by such a law. There's no rational connection at all.
But forget morality and social engineering for a minute. The whole concept of gender selection to prevent Fragile X-related issues is irrational. It doesn't work that way. A father CANNOT pass it on to his son, and any daughter MUST be a carrier. A mother has a 50-50 chance, either way. I just don't see an issue here.
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pbcoll
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| Cyanide wrote: | We need to stop tampering with the fine fabrics of human composition....
if we don't, we'll pay for it one day (and no, i'm not talking about 'going to hell').
We'll be making a horrible new society where if your children aren't genetically tampered with, then you'll be an outcast of society (and that IS my business). If you think discrimination is bad now, it'll only get worse with this. Skin color/eye color/hair texture/Asperger's Syndrome etc. will no longer be things that "are out of our control"....they WILL be in our control which will give justification to such discrimination.
Plus, what if these geneticists make some huge awful mistakes? They could make a horrible new disease, infertility, etc. etc. It's things like this that could mean the end of the entire human race. We need to stop ourselves from destroying ourselves. |
Exactly. Children are people, not commodities for which the consumer has a right to choose the specifications, whether it be gender, eye color, hair colour, etc. If you're not OK with a healthy child because he/she doesn't meet the gender of your choice or similar requirements, the world is too badly overcrowded for such people to become parents. Genetic tampering should be only for things like Tay Sachs, not for gender.
Adoption is different because it's giving a home to a child that is already there, independently of your preferences, it's not a made-to-order baby, designed to satisfy your every whim.
As others have pointed out, if parents were routinely given a choice in the child's sex, there would be very massively more males than females, creating all sorts of social ills that would afflict everybody.
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