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Fnord
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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: I Just Turned Down A Job Offer. |
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I just turned down a job offer from Northrop Grumman. Needless to say, it was a tough decision, and I'm still not sure it was the correct one.
I'd have had to take a cut in pay, travel almost twice the distance I do now, and endure a six-month probationary period, with no guaranty that I'd eventually be hired permanently.
But it's Northrop Grumman! THE foremost global defense and technology company! They're involved in electronics, aerospace and shipbuilding! They're contracted to governments and commercial customers all over the world!
I've had my current job for almost a decade. I'm the second-highest paid of all my siblings. My job involves almost no direct supervision, and when I tell people to do something, they get it done!
But ... Northrop Grumman ... 
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krex
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Your present job sounds perfect...why fix what isn't broken just for a name with some status?
I forgot to vote but think you made the right choice.
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n4mwd
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Joined: Jun 08, 2008
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Location: Palm Beach, FL
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| If your current job is stable and not showing any signs of a slowdown, then keep it. |
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digger1
I am the frontman of evil, Bobby!
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Location: Augusta, Maine
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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you totally did the right thing. Bigups for sticking to your guns man! 
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Willard
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Definitely the right Non-move. Yeah, definitely, definitely right.
I'm an excellent driver.
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infinite9
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Joined: Jul 08, 2008
Posts: 30
Location: Chicagoland
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: Re: I Just Turned Down A Job Offer. |
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| Fnord wrote: | I just turned down a job offer from Northrop Grumman. Needless to say, it was a tough decision, and I'm still not sure it was the correct one.
I'd have had to take a cut in pay, travel almost twice the distance I do now, and endure a six-month probationary period, with no guaranty that I'd eventually be hired permanently.
But it's Northrop Grumman! THE foremost global defense and technology company! They're involved in electronics, aerospace and shipbuilding! They're contracted to governments and commercial customers all over the world!
I've had my current job for almost a decade. I'm the second-highest paid of all my siblings. My job involves almost no direct supervision, and when I tell people to do something, they get it done!
But ... Northrop Grumman ... |
I've worked for IBM, Motorola, Sun Microsystems, Walgreens, Grainger, Allstate, Symantec/Veritas, and Rockwell, I've turned down jobs with Sears, McDonalds, and Kraft. Of all of them, only Sun Microsystems didn't suck. The best jobs I've had have been with companies no one has ever heard of.
I have a real problem with companies that underpay their people because "We're XYZ company, everyone wants to work for us!' Well I'm not everyone. Show me the money baby. No rosy vision is worth low pay, poor treatment, and bad working conditions.
But I'm not bitter. 
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Tracker
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Joined: Jun 17, 2008
Age: 22
Posts: 174
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: |
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I have worked at small no name business, and large businesses with thousands of employees.
I really liked the small business better. Just because the company does cool things doesnt mean that the job will be good. If you have a good job, that pays you well, and you like, why bother leaving?
Even if you didnt have to take a pay cut, or drive longer, I still wouldnt work for them. Why give up something that you know works well for the uncertianty of a job you dont know alot about. |
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Bozewani
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Joined: Mar 04, 2008
Age: 18
Posts: 262
Location: Somewhere in the Universe
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Big names are big narcissists, the smaller companies usually treat employees nicer and even value them more. |
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infinite9
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Tracker wrote: | | Why give up something that you know works well for the uncertianty of a job you dont know alot about. |
Because that's the sort of risk-taking that leads to success. But then again, it could lead to failure as well. So choose wisely. The OP may have turned down a great opportunity, one that would take his career farther than it could go where he is. But in my opinion, he made the right choice. The two red flags for me are the initial probationary period and the lower pay.
If they really want him, they should pay him what he's worth. If they want him to take a pay cut, that shows some arrogance on the part of the employer. That's the kind of employer that will later cancel bonuses or gut benefits since they don't value their workers. After all, we're so great, everyone wants to work for us. So we can just hire someone to replace you. If you don't like it, leave.
Second, the probationary period sends the message "we're not sure if we really want to hire you, so we reserve the right to dump you in six months if we want." By taking the job, he would be putting his faith in the company, without that faith being returned. Call me old-fashioned, but this sucks. It's all win for the employer and all lose for the employee.
No wonder I can never make it as an employee. Unlike a dog, I don't remain loyal when I'm beaten.
So had it been a little more money and no probationary period, assuming there were no other problems we don't know about, I'd suggest taking it. Done right, changing jobs is the best way to increase your income and your experience. If two candidates had 15 years of experience, one who had worked for 4 or 5 different companies, and one who had been at the same place for 15 years, I'd prefer the candidate with experience from different places.
I agree that changing jobs is highly stressful for many people, and probably especially so for ASD people. So it's not for everyone. But don't let fear of the unknown limit your career, or your life for that matter.
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barcncpt44
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Northrop Grumman could be booming if they win the air force contract and build the planes right here in alabama.
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Fnord
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| barcncpt44 wrote: | | Northrop Grumman could be booming if they win the air force contract and build the planes right here in alabama. |
... or right here in California.
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Mahlon
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Joined: May 16, 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I personally work in the Aerospace industry for a competitor of Northrup and Lockheed, and have to say we regularly receive people who have left both these companies/corporations (heck lets call it like it is, they are incorporated greedy money sucking beasts that excrete used up employees, same as my company though mine tends to treat the production employees very well comparitively) based on contract based hiring and all around issues. I'd say especially with NG's recent issues with their satellite manufacturing that you indeed chose the right thing. Working for a big name isn't a good thing, unless maybe its a company such as Google or maybe Adobe.
Sounds like your current position works for you, and you may have more chances to move up at NG, but you'll also pay a dear price of giving up hours working more and commuting to work, and make less money in the long run. If it ain't broke, why fix it? |
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hiker7
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Joined: Jul 19, 2008
Age: 48
Posts: 10
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| You are probably best off staying put for several reasons. First, if you have AS, change is going to affect you more, as most of us don't like disruptions of routines, and this would qualify. If there is a clear positive outcome it would be worth the risk. If you are comfortable where you are, stay put, as it will take you months to get the same level at the other place. Also, a larger place has more hierarchy and fixed rules that may not wash with those with AS, and did I mention more people to interact with. Also note any increase in pay will get mostly eaten by taxes. |
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