Joined: Apr 24, 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Kentucky, USA
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Flouride, Aspartame and Agenda 21
I've mentioned these in other posts, but whenever I find supporting evidence I will post it. Here is one such video. Don't believe me or the video producers... do your own research.
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Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Age: 20 Posts: 107 Location: West Chester, PA
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:38 am Post subject:
I doubt I've done enough research to comment on this stuff, but here are some of my thoughts.
To us, the common people, the issues with fluoride produce a kind of 'oh sh*t' moment. The kind of 'oh sh*t' moment that politicians, corporations, and doctors are resistant to. When the truth hurts as much as the fluoride truth does, these people tend to try and cover their butts and ears by just ignoring it and silencing those who are doing the research. This is part of why research tends to take almost 20 years for its influence to be felt on any appreciable scale, because many self fancied experts hate to admit that they might be wrong - *especially* if it puts people at risk with no appreciable benefits. That's what I think happened to Dr. Mullenix. I tend to go by a modification of an old adage: never attribute to Satanic conspiracies what can just as easily be attributed to stupid politicians.
The affects of fluoridation on people described in this video - lowered aggression, lowered sex drive, increased passivity - are unlikely to be a means to the end of population control. We fluoridated the water before we had the research. That could be why Dr. Mullenix's research got her canned, since nobody likes research that tells them they messed up. Also, contrast the effects of fluoridation on aggression and sex with alcohol's effects on the same areas. Marijuana conspiracy theorists often argue that corporations influence politics to keep marijuana illegal because it makes people too relaxed, passive and socialist, while they keep alcohol and tobacco legal to increase aggression and ruthlessness to make good free market soldiers. If the government is trying to control us, I don't think they would do so by making us simultaneously more and less aggressive.
Aspartame is much the same deal I think. Of course Rumsfeld would push out 5000 products containing a harmful chemical. This is Donald Rumsfeld we're talking about. Twats do not get much bigger than him.
World population control is a scary thought. I'm not sure what I think about its feasibility. All I can say is that the elimination of 6 billion people by only a few thousand elites would involve the grandest of conspiracies, and the grander the conspiracy, the more unstable. I believe janitors will save us, because everyplace has to be cleaned at some point, and nobody likes to find out they are on the death list. I also trust the armed forces to have enough decency to say "hey, something is wrong here... why are we killing so many innocent citizens?" Look at Iraq, there are so many people making that a bumpy ride for everyone involved that I imagine trying that on any greater scale would quickly approach impossible. To me, it seems like so many things could go wrong that its unlikely it would ever succeed as well as conspiracy theorists believe it would.
While I don't personally buy into conspiracy theories much, I'm glad there's people out there who talk about it. To me its a sign that democracy is still alive, and theorists are much better watchdogs then traditional information media these days. _________________ TECHNOVIKING DOES NOT DANCE TO MUSIC, MUSIC DANCES TO TECHNOVIKING!
Joined: Jun 08, 2008 Posts: 663 Location: Palm Beach, FL
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:52 am Post subject:
When I clicked it, said that the video was no longer available.
Nevertheless, there is a ton of evidence that aspartame is a neurotoxin. Plenty of independent studies prove this over and over. Interestingly enough, all the studies paid for by the aspartame industry show it to be much safer than anything else. I wonder how that happened.
In any event, its a big mistake for anyone with aspergers to consume aspartame even if you don't think its hurting you. Did I mention it is a neurotoxin?
Saccharin is the safest, but has a bitter aftertaste.
Splenda (sucralose) is the next safest and has no aftertaste.
Aspartame (Equal, NutraSweet) are the least safe and are the most harmful.
There is also stevia which is a natural artificial sweetener. While it is sweet, it tastes really horrible and constipates people who use it. There aren't a lot of people who use it on a regular basis.
Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 1970 Location: w london
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:05 am Post subject:
MSG (processed free glutamic acid) is another likely neurotoxin. It may have a synergistic effect with aspartame.
Using a mobile phone if youve accidentally consumed either of them should be avoided as this may lower the defences of the blood-brain-barrier and expose you to greater
Even the 'natural' versions of these compound - the excitotoxic amino acids glutamate & aspartate, are dangerous in large amounts. They are needed, and produced by the body, but only in limited amounts and kept in balance with the other amino acids. Adding large amounts to your diet on purpose, especially if in the modified forms isnt something you want to be doing.
Some one will come along shortly to explain that fluoride is natural too, and occurs in all water anyway. Thats calcium fluoride which isnt quite as bad, but our overall fluoride exposure comes from many other sources and is getting worse all the time. Products like tea & fish were very healthy once, but since industrialization have slowly becoming more & more toxic.
Great research hub - chronicles various aspects of the 'bodyburden' in a very professional way, both legally & scientifically. Envoronment agency corruption, toxic coverups etc.
Avoiding fluoride also means avoiding fluoropolymers - teflon & its relatives - Dupont have kept the very alrming dangers of these compounds hidden for decades, while they continued to produced tons of the stuff. Now the sh** is literally everywhere (even the northpole!) and it will never completely breakdown, just degrade into even more hazardous, unnatural toxic waste - a few of which are also chemical warfare agents.
Joined: Nov 27, 2007 Posts: 2589 Location: The murky waters of my mind...
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject:
Oh my goodness, you've just hit on the things that make more angry than anything else... aspartame, fluoride, MSG...
I could go on for hours about how awful they are, but I guess you probably already know...
My solutions though, for fluoridated water, are that there is action you can take:
If you live in a fluoridated area, join up with your neighbours to buy a Reverse-Osmosis filter. They're expensive but split the costs and it'll be cheaper. Then, get some GLASS (not plastic) jugs and share the water between you, form a co-operative of sorts. Make sure the re-ionise the water with salts or apple cider vinegar though because RO water is 'dead' water unless you add more mineral back into it.
Also, send the bill for the filter to the government. "You forced me to buy this when you filled my tap with your neurotoxic sh**, so you can pay for it".
Until you get a filter, get bottled water and do the same thing - send the bills to the government. If it's heavy and you need to visit an osteopath for a sore back from carrying it around, send that bill to the government too.
In the UK you can do this as there is a clause that the government will reimburse water companies for that kind of thing, so it will work.
Don't put up with it!
As for aspartame, kick up a stink. Email MPs, go in and see them, tell your friends, petition online, leave leaflets in drinks fridges and in supermarkets on the shelves... hell, I'll even tell people in shops when I see them buying it - not forcefully, just a quick comment in passing. You'd be surprised how many appreciate it; I had one (very overweight) lady put it back and write down a few books to read about it after I said "Oh, you drink those toxic sweeteners?" and smiled sweetly, and she was surprised and started a conversation. _________________ We are a fever, we are a fever, we ain't born typical...
Joined: Nov 27, 2007 Posts: 2589 Location: The murky waters of my mind...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:42 am Post subject:
If you go on the www.dailyecho.co.uk website they've got a map they were given under the freedom of information act now... the stink they're all kicking up about it is so heartening, no wonder they want to fluoridate that lot!! _________________ We are a fever, we are a fever, we ain't born typical...
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject:
I did not once hear anything about dosage in the video. Water at varied dosage (nanopure or salinated nanopure water) has the same effects.
Yes many of these compounds probably should not be consumed, but that is as simple as looking on the side of the box. If I wanted to control population I would simply create a virus that attacked a percentage of the population based on polymorphisms in the human genome. Or simply make it 100% lethal and hide those you want to keep around until the pandemic is over (see Spanish flu).
Why would people go through all this trouble when much simpler and less exposed methods are readily available.
Joined: Nov 27, 2007 Posts: 2589 Location: The murky waters of my mind...
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:23 am Post subject:
Fluoride does far more than just triggering cancer... that stuff is truly nasty. _________________ We are a fever, we are a fever, we ain't born typical...
Joined: Apr 24, 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Kentucky, USA
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:37 am Post subject:
FLUORIDE ACCIDENTS & POISONINGS (Click for more detail)
Fluoride, the active ingredient in many pesticides and rodenticides, is a powerful poison - more acutely poisonous than lead. Because of this, accidental over-ingestion of fluoride can cause serious toxic symptoms.
Each year there are thousands of reports to Poison Control centers in the United States related to excessive ingestion of fluoride toothpastes, mouthrinses, and supplements.
Water fluoridation accidents, resulting in excess levels of fluoride in water, have been one of the sources of acute fluoride poisoning.
FLUORIDE & the BRAIN (Click for more detail)
Fluoride's ability to damage the brain represents one of the most active areas of research on fluoride toxicity today.
Concern about fluoride's impact on the brain has been fueled by 18 human studies (from China, Mexico, India, and Iran) reporting IQ deficits among children exposed to excess fluoride, by 4 human studies indicating that fluoride can enter, and damage, the fetal brain; and by a growing number of animal studies finding damage to brain tissue (at levels as low as 1 ppm) and impairment of learning and memory among fluoride-treated groups.
According to the US National Research Council, "it is apparent that fluorides have the ability to interfere with the functions of the brain."
It is also a historical fact that the Nazis flouridated the water in their concentration camps in order to keep their prisoners docile.
FLUORIDE & the PINEAL GLAND (Click for more detail)
In the 1990s, it was discovered that the pineal gland is a major site of fluoride accumulation within the body - with higher concentrations of fluoride than either teeth or bone.
Subsequent animal studies indicate that the accumulation of fluoride in the pineal gland can reduce the gland's synthesis of melatonin, a hormone that helps regulate the onset of puberty. Fluoride-treated animals were found to have reduced levels of circulating melatonin and an earlier onset of puberty than untreated animals. The scientist who conducted the research concluded:
"The safety of the use of fluorides ultimately rests on the assumption that the developing enamel organ is most sensitive to the toxic effects of fluoride. The results from this study suggest that the pinealocytes may be as susceptible to fluoride as the developing enamel organ" (Luke 1997).
The fact that fluoride's impact on the pineal gland was never studied, or even considered, before the 1990s, highlights a major gap in knowledge underpinning current policies on fluoride and health.
According to the US National Research Council, "any agent that affects pineal function could affect human health in a variety of ways, including effects on sexual maturation, calcium metabolism, parathyroid function, postmenopausal osteoporosis, cancer, and psychiatric disease.”
FLUORIDE & the THYROID GLAND (Click for more detail)
According to the US National Research Council, "several lines of information indicate an effect of fluoride exposure on thyroid function" - particularly among individuals with an iodine deficiency.
Fluoride's potential to impair thyroid function is most clearly illustrated by the fact that -- up until the 1970s -- European doctors used fluoride as a thyroid-suppressing medication for patients with hyperthyroidism (over-active thyroid). Fluoride was utilized because it was found effective at reducing the activity of the thyroid gland - even at doses as low as 2 mg/day.
Today, many people living in fluoridated communities are ingesting doses of fluoride (1.6-6.6 mg/day) that fall within the range of doses (2 to 10 mg/day) once used by doctors to reduce thyroid activity in hyperthyroid patients. This is of particular concern considering the widespread problem of hypothyroidism (under-active thyroid) in the United States. Symptoms of hypothyroidism include obesity, lethargy, depression, and heart disease.
Perhaps fatty foods aren't the cause of our obesity epidemic after all.
FLUORIDE & BONE DISEASE (Click for more detail)
Excessive exposure to fluoride is well known to cause a bone disease called skeletal fluorosis.
Skeletal fluorosis, especially in its early stages, is a difficult disease to diagnose, and can be readily confused with various forms of arthritis including osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis.
In its advanced stages, fluorosis can resemble a multitude of bone/joint diseases.
In individuals with kidney disease, fluoride exposure can contribute to, and/or exacerbate, renal osteodystrophy.
FLUORIDE & BONE FRACTURE (Click for more detail)
The majority of animal studies investigating fluoride's effect on bone strength, have found fluoride to either have no effect or a negative effect on strength. According to the US National Research Council, "The weight of evidence indicates that, although fluoride might increase bone volume, there is less strength per unit volume."
Studies on human populations consuming fluoride in drinking water have found an association between dental fluorosis and increased bone fracture in children; and between long-term consumption of fluoridated water and increased hip fracture in the elderly.
Carefully conducted human clinical trials - including two "double-blind trials" - have found that fluoride (at doses of 18-34 mg/day for just 1-4 years) increases the rate of bone fracture, particularly hip fracture, among osteoporosis patients.
FLUORIDE & the KIDNEYS (Click for more detail)
The kidneys play a vital role in preventing the build-up of excessive fluoride in the body. Among healthy individuals, the kidneys excrete approximately 50% of the daily fluoride intake. However, among individuals with kidney disease, the kidneys' ability to excrete becomes markedly impaired, resulting in a build-up of fluoride within the body.
It is well recognized that individuals with kidney disease have a heightened susceptibility to the cumulative toxic effects of fluoride.
Of particular concern is the potential for fluoride, when accumulated in the skeletal system, to cause, or exacerbate, renal osteodystrophy - a bone disease commonly found among people with advanced kidney disease.
In addition, fluoride has been definitively shown to poison kidney function at high doses over short-term exposures in both animals and humans. The impact of low doses of fluoride, given over long periods of time, has been inadequately studied. A recent animal study, conducted by scientists at the US Environmental Protection Agency (Varner 1998), reported that exposure to just 1 ppm fluoride caused kidney damage in rats if they drank the water for an extended period of time, while a new study from China found an increased rate of kidney disease among humans consuming more than 2 ppm (Liu 2005). Hence, the adverse effects to kidney function that fluoride causes at high doses over short periods of time, may also be replicated with small doses if consumed over long periods of time.
FLUORIDE & CANCER (Click for more detail)
According to the National Toxicology Program, "the preponderance of evidence" from laboratory 'in vitro' studies indicates that fluoride is a mutagenic compound. Many substances which cause mutagenic damage also cause cancer.
While the concentrations of fluoride causing mutagenic damage in laboratory studies are higher than the concentrations found in human blood, there are certain "microenvironments" in the body (e.g. the bones and the bladder) where the concentrations of fluoride can accumulate to levels comparable to, or in excess of, those causing mutagenic effects in the laboratory.
Fluoride has been found to cause bone cancer (osteosarcoma) in government animal studies and rates of osteosarcoma among young males living in fluoridated areas have been found to be higher than young males living in unfluoridated areas. Osteosarcoma, while rare, is a very serious cancer. Children who develop osteosarcoma face a high probability of death (usually within 3 years) or amputation.
Fluoride exposure has also been linked to bladder cancer - particularly among workers exposed to excess fluoride in the workplace. According to the US National Research Council, “further research on a possible effect of fluoride on bladder cancer risk should be conducted.”
FLUORIDE & the GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT (Click for more detail)
Among people hypersensitive to fluoride, gastrointestinal ailments have been produced following ingestion of 1 mg tablets of fluoride or consumption of 1 ppm fluoridated water.
A single ingestion of as little as 3 mg of fluoride, in carefully controlled clinical trials, has been found to produce damage to the gastric mucosa in healthy adult volunteers. No research on the gastric mucosa has ever been conducted to determine the effect of lower doses with repeated exposure.
FLUORIDE & ALLERGY/HYPERSENSITIVITY (Click for more detail)
As acknowledged by the Physicians' Desk Reference, some individuals are allergic/hypersensitive to fluoride. The largest, government-funded, clinical trial found that 1% of individuals exposed to 1 mg/day of fluoride exhibited allergic/hypersensitive reactions, including skin reactions, gastric distress, and headache.
FLUORIDE & DENTAL FLUOROSIS (Click for more detail)
Excessive ingestion of fluoride during the early childhood years can damage the tooth-forming cells, leading to a defect in the enamel known as dental fluorosis.
Teeth impacted by fluorosis have visible discoloration, ranging from white spots to brown and black stains.
According to the Centers for Disease Control, 32% of American children now have some form of dental fluorosis, with 2 to 4% of children having the moderate to severe stages (CDC 2005).
According to Dr. Hardy Limeback, Head of Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, "it is illogical to assume that tooth enamel is the only tissue affected by low daily doses of fluoride ingestion.
FLUORIDE & TOOTH DECAY (Caries) (Click for more detail)
According to the current consensus view of the dental research community, fluoride's primary - if not sole - benefit to teeth comes from TOPICAL application to the exterior surface of teeth, not from ingestion.
Perhaps not surprisingly, therefore, tooth decay rates have declined at similar rates in all western countries in the latter half of the 20th century - irrespective of whether the country fluoridates its water or not. Today, tooth decay rates throughout continental western Europe are as low as the tooth decay rates in the United States - despite a profound disparity in water fluoridation prevalence in the two regions.
Within countries that fluoridate their water, recent large-scale surveys of dental health - utilizing modern scientific methods not employed in the early surveys from the 1930s-1950s - have found little difference in tooth decay, including "baby bottle tooth decay", between fluoridated and unfluoridated communities. _________________ Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.---George Bernard Shaw
Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Age: 24 Posts: 2675 Location: Manchester
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:
fluoride causes many different levels of fluorisis,which at the least severest-breaks down teeth whilst theyre still growing and causes things like stomach problems.
am have binge eaten toothpaste since a toddler [seems to be not uncommon amongst auties] and have the knackered teeth,
the endless root canal treatments and life time of stomach problems to show for it. _________________ [LFAutie]
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fluoride causes many different levels of fluorisis,which at the least severest-breaks down teeth whilst theyre still growing and causes things like stomach problems.
am have binge eaten toothpaste since a toddler [seems to be not uncommon amongst auties] and have the knackered teeth,
the endless root canal treatments and life time of stomach problems to show for it.
I did the same thing, when I was younger - fortunately it didn't last long. _________________ "Public transportation is for jerks and lesbians." --Homer Simpson
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