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sinsboldly Free Range Aspie

Joined: Nov 22, 2006 Age: 57 Posts: 8059 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Sarah Palin and Trooper-gate |
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I've noticed some people who should know better claiming that bringing up Gov. Palin's troopergate scandal is tantamount to making a victim of or defending her slimeball ex-brother-in-law who allegedly once used a taser on his stepson.
That's awfully foolish. So I thought I'd put together a post explaining why.
The person in question is state trooper Mike Wooten -- Palin's ex-brother-in-law who's embroiled in a bitter custody and divorce battle with Palin's sister. Back in the second week of August, well before Palin became a national political figure, TPMMuckraker was reporting on this story. And as part of the reporting we tried to get a handle on just how bad a guy Wooten was. Most people who are familiar with the ugliness that often spills out of custody and divorce cases know to take accusations arising out of the course of them with a grain of salt unless you know a lot about the people involved. And if you look closely at the case there are numerous reasons to question the picture drawn by the Palin family. Regardless, we proceeded on the assumption that Wooten really was a rotten guy because the truth is that it wasn't relevant to the investigation of Palin.
Let's review what happened.
The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate -- a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days -- a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin's weren't satisfied but there wasn't much they could do.
When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan -- a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department -- to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin's husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, "You can't head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference."
Eventually, Palin got fed up and fired Monegan from his job. (Palin claims, not credibly, that she fired Monegan over general differences in law enforcement priorities.) This is an important point. Wooten never got fired. To the best of my knowledge, he's is still on the job. The central bad act was firing the state's top police official because he refused to bend to political pressure from the governor and her family to fire a public employee against whom the governor was pursuing a vendetta -- whether the vendetta was justified or not.
Soon after this, questions were raised in the state about Monegan's firing and he eventually came forward and said he believed he'd been fired for not giving in to pressure to fire Wooten.
After Monegan made his accusations, Palin insisted there was no truth whatsoever to his claims. Nonetheless, a bipartisan committee of the state legislature approved an investigation. In response, Palin asked the Attorney General to start his own investigation which many in the state interpreted as an effort to either keep tabs on or tamper with the legislature's investigation. Again, very questionable judgment in someone who aspires to be first in line to the presidency.
The Attorney General's investigation quickly turned up evidence that Palin's initial denials were false. Multiple members of her staff had raised Wooten's employment with Monegan. Indeed, the state police had a recording of one of her deputies pushing Monegan to fire Wooten. That evidence forced Palin to change her story. Palin said that this was the first she'd heard of it and insisted the deputy wasn't acting at her behest, even though the trascript of the recorded call clearly suggested that he was. url=http://www.gov.state.ak.us/audio/FrankBaileyCDaudio.mp3]Hear the Audio Here[/url]
Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin's aides, but Palin's husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)
The investigator appointed by the state legislature began trying to arrange a time to depose Gov. Palin last week -- in other words, in the final days before her selection.
So let's put this all together.
We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It's called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired his boss. She first denied Monegan's claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.
These are, to put it mildly, not the traits or temperament you want in someone who could hold the executive power of the federal government.
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Loborojo Phoenix


Joined: Aug 20, 2008 Age: 49 Posts: 931 Location: wherever I lay my head (now in Ecuador)
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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McCain's VP choice appears to be an attempt to propitiate the Evangelical Taliban, who found his level of religious fanaticism to be deficient, because he had not spoken out in support of compulsory religious indoctrination in public schools, as well as public floggings and executions. She is very much in line with the right wing lunatics. Given that we live in a theocracy ( not so different from Iran or Saudi Arabia ), it is likely that her selection was a politically wise choice.
It was, after all, the Taliban who propelled her to the governorship of Alaska 2 years ago, even though she had no experience other than being a stay at home Bible thumping mom. As a running mate for McCain, she will be a very effective tool in pandering to the abysmal stupidity of the American public.
Intellectually, she is right on par with McCain, who as a younster, only managed to get into the Naval Academy because his father was an admiral, and ended up graduating 2nd to last in a class of about 500. He is competition with the man he hopes to succeed for being the slowest thinking mammal on the planet.
Being of very limited intellect and coming from a military family tradition, he believes that war is the solution to all of humanity's problems. His statement saying that he was prepared to occupy Irak for another century is remminiscent of similar claims made by Hitler made about the pedicted lifespan of the 3rd reich. Rest assured that if elected, he will launch a unilateral attack on Iran. _________________ Have you ever met a normal person? And, did you like it?
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Mage Phoenix


Joined: Oct 11, 2006 Posts: 839
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Who says she's inexperienced? After less than 2 years as governor, she's got the sleazeball politician thing mastered!  |
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ToadOfSteel Extremist Moderate

Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Age: 20 Posts: 2819 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Both candidates chose their VP's to shore up what the public perceives to be as "weaknesses". Obama picked Biden because everyone kept complaining about his "lack of experience", while Mccain picked Palin because everyone kept talking about how old he was... |
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history_of_psychiatry Phoenix


Joined: Dec 23, 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 574 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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The last thing we need is another evangelist boob like her in our govt. _________________ Guns don't kill people. Gunshot wounds kill people. |
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skafather84 Platypus God

Joined: Mar 21, 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 5163 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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well...at least we'll see another first if palin gets in: the first ever shotgun wedding at the white house. _________________ Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the Comedian is the only thing makes sense.
Kein mehrheit für die mitleid. |
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Cyanide Leader of Shadaloo

Joined: Sep 25, 2006 Posts: 1405 Location: OR
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| history_of_psychiatry wrote: | | The last thing we need is another evangelist boob like her in our govt. |
Didn't you mean to say 2 boobs?  |
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DeaconBlues They call Alabama the Crimson Tide - call me...

Joined: Apr 22, 2007 Posts: 1594 Location: Earth, mostly
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Gov. Palin pressured her underlings to give her the conclusions she'd already reached, in order to justify the actions she wanted to take anyway.
Sounds like a perfect fit with the ideals of the last eight years of Republican administration.... _________________ If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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jamesohgoodie Phoenix


Joined: Nov 18, 2007 Age: 23 Posts: 552
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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what I find really mind-blowing is that Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant and she's forcing her into a shotgun wedding with the father. cause y'know, THAT'S gonna work out.
wow, 17 year old daughter pregnant. think Palin is gonna change her stance on abortion now? _________________ OH GOODIE!.net
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sinsboldly Free Range Aspie

Joined: Nov 22, 2006 Age: 57 Posts: 8059 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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can you imagine being Levi, that 17 year old guy that had a 16 year old girlfriend and they got pregnant and then they were SHOWN IN FRONT OF THE WORLD???
yikes, and I thought my momma was cruel.
 _________________ I freed thousands of slaves; I could have freed more if they knew they were slaves.
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NeantHumain Phoenix

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Joined: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 3717 Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Mere soccer mom indeed.
It sounds like she's hiding a real mean streak beneath a veneer of religiosity (or at least controlling fundamentalism). |
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sinsboldly Free Range Aspie

Joined: Nov 22, 2006 Age: 57 Posts: 8059 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: |
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her hair style tonight was distracting. I kept seeing Jane Pauley as a conehead. I was waiting for her to consume in great quantities _________________ I freed thousands of slaves; I could have freed more if they knew they were slaves.
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skafather84 Platypus God

Joined: Mar 21, 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 5163 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| jamesohgoodie wrote: | | think Palin is gonna change her stance on abortion now? |
you're kidding right? she's got a whole constituency of voters who will worship that she's sacrificed her daughter's life for her own political gain. _________________ Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the Comedian is the only thing makes sense.
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sinsboldly Free Range Aspie

Joined: Nov 22, 2006 Age: 57 Posts: 8059 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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my gawd, skafather84, when you are right, you are right! Bristol Connecticut is where she went to be an ESPN sports caster 17 years ago. But she didn't want to move from Alaska (and Bristol Bay is where her grandfather fished, too) but if she is 'just folks' then she is not gonna let that opportunity pass her by again!
Merle _________________ I freed thousands of slaves; I could have freed more if they knew they were slaves.
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jamesohgoodie Phoenix


Joined: Nov 18, 2007 Age: 23 Posts: 552
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| sinsboldly wrote: | | her hair style tonight was distracting. I kept seeing Jane Pauley as a conehead. I was waiting for her to consume in great quantities |
i think you mean Jane Curtin. i agree with you though. _________________ OH GOODIE!.net
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