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The term "pro-abortion" makes it sound like maniacs with knives are running around cutting out people's fetuses.
It's not something I would ever chose for myself, but I am not going to stand in the way of anyone else having an abortion. |
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It depends on the situation. And besides, whatever someone else does with their body is their business. Not mine.
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| It depends on the situation - which is why I'm pro-choice. |
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Danielismyname
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Pro-killing.
The less humans, the better. |
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ghouna
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philosopherBoi
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I am anti-abortion, if you do the deed then deal with the consequences because killing an innocent unborn child is just plain wrong. Oh and to cover it rape is not an excuse, yes something bad happened but two wrongs have never made a right the child never did anything to hurt you.
Now there are two reasons I could see why an abortion should be done, if a father, brother or other close realative father's the child etc. or if the mother will die and take the child with her. |
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intense
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| philosopherBoi wrote: | I am anti-abortion, if you do the deed then deal with the consequences because killing an innocent unborn child is just plain wrong. Oh and to cover it rape is not an excuse, yes something bad happened but two wrongs have never made a right the child never did anything to hurt you.
Now there are two reasons I could see why an abortion should be done, if a father, brother or other close realative father's the child etc. or if the mother will die and take the child with her. |
Ok then what if it was discovered early on that the child has a painful degenerative disease and would have a VERY POOR quality of life - everyday would mean extreme suffering how would you feel then?
I only ask as sadly these are the kind of decisions some poor people have to make in real life.
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LifeOfTheSpectrum
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Pro-Choice.
The baby is NOT ALIVE until it has been born, all it is before the time limit is a bundle of cells, it's not like you're killi9ng an alive baby.
Plus, if you give birth to an unwanted child, it can lead to a lot of things.
Adoption also can cause lots of pain and suffering for a child. |
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BokeKaeru
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Anyone who would stand in the way of another making a decision about the future child who THEY will have to give birth to and THEY will have to raise should volunteer to take that child in themselves once it is born, no matter what their situation, and no matter what the baby is like. Because obviously that's what they think others should do (adoption really isn't the simple, guaranteed thing a lot of "pro-lifers" believe it is). Also, they should pay for any therapy or medical treatment that the mother in question might want or need as a result of the father being a relative, a rapist or both, or from any medical complications she might suffer as a result of the pregnancy.
...Oh wait, that's right. "Pro-lifers" seem only to care about non-sentient, non-sapient beings in the womb. Once they're thinking, feeling beings who can live biologically independently from their mothers, they don't count anymore. 
Though I understand in this community why there would be a noticeable pro-life slant in some circles, I think that the quality of life the child will have after it is born must be considered. If a kid with a severe medical and mental condition would be born into a family that could care and provide for it, and wants it, great. More power to those people. But if that kid was going to be born into a situation where there were no resources to take care of them, where both parents would be working day and night just to put food on the table, an environment that would be hardly fit for even a "normal" child? It could even be said that choosing not to give birth to a child like that at such a time would be the more responsible option. Even forcing well-to-do (enough) parents with one parent who stayed home, or with enough money to hire a nanny, to have and take care of a child they don't want for petty reasons of the baby not being "perfect" is not necessarily a good thing - that child could very well grow up knowing that he or she is resented, and believing that he or she was a mistake. Said kid might even be abused, physically or psychologically. And the chances of a child with severe disabilities getting adopted is just about nothing. Ideally, people would consider all possibilities before taking action. However, as few people ever will plan ahead, it's unfair to condemn or prevent people for making a decision that will affect the quality of life for, at very least, two individuals, if not more, without knowing what their reasons are.
The best way to prevent (not all, but many) abortions is to make it more feasible to raise a child under any situations - and easier to prevent pregnancies, of course. However, that is a much harder, much costlier, and a lot less marketable solution, so it's a much less likely route for public figures to try and take. |
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Loborojo
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| philosopherBoi wrote: | | I could see why an abortion should be done, if a father, brother or other close realative father's the child etc. or if the mother will die and take the child with her. |
I beg your pardon? Do you realize how many royals in Ancient history would have had to kill their offspring. What if the daughter and father accept 'their' child. Your argument is all in a context where incest is not accepted, I suppose...
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Loborojo
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| LifeOfTheSpectrum wrote: | Pro-Choice.
The baby is NOT ALIVE until it has been born, all it is before the time limit is a bundle of cells, it's not like you're killi9ng an alive baby.
Plus, if you give birth to an unwanted child, it can lead to a lot of things.
Adoption also can cause lots of pain and suffering for a child. |
excuse me, a fetus is already life, and from a few weeks to a few months, it feels what you feel and smokes with you and drinks with you. Pre-natal stress exists
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Loborojo
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| Danielismyname wrote: | Pro-killing.
The less humans, the better. |
with such a thought I figure you are the suicidal type, would you be pro-killing yourself too or wish you had not been born?
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CleverKitten
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I am pro-choice for all of the common arguments. However, I wouldn't go around being sexually irresponsible and getting pregnant and having abortions left and right.
Basically, I believe that people should have the choice of an abortion available to them should an unwanted pregnancy were to occur, but they should also be responsible so that they won't have an unwanted pregnancy. 
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