Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: the all-purpose Sarah Palin thread
a lot of discussion is going on about Sarah Palin right now, so i felt it only appropriate to start an all purpose thread one her.
on that note, a thought i had. is it sexist that Sarah Palin's gotten such a negative reaction in the very few days since her nomination, or is it because people think and/or she genuinely is a bad candidate? discuss. _________________ OH GOODIE!.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject:
I suggest the rest of the Palin threads be locked for being "multiple similarly themed threads". _________________ Don't look back, because infinity is waiting.
three, four months ago. palin says some freaky stuff - god's will is to have a gas pipeline built so pray for that, things like getting the roads paved and making sure the public schools are funded don't do any good if the people of alaska's hearts aren't right with god, our national leaders are sending the military out to iraq on a task that is from god, lots more tasty goodness.
there's a part two, linked to at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k _________________ What will happen in the morning when the world it gets so crowded that you can't look out the window in the morning?
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That's only one word. I suppose that relative to the stuck together picture collections of Margaret Thatcher that some conservatives have in their sock drawers, she's a fresh breeze, a tall glass of water on a hot day.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject:
Analysis: GOP contradicts self on Palin family
By TED ANTHONY, AP National WriterWed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET
People: Make up your minds.
For two days, the chorus from Republicans on TV news and in the halls of the convention has been resounding: Back off and let the Palin family be. "That's out of bounds," said Minnesota's Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty. "There's no need to be intrusive and pry into that."
Yet Wednesday found the following scenes unfolding:
_Sarah Palin's pregnant, unmarried 17-year-old daughter and probable future son-in-law stood in a nationally televised, politically packaged airport receiving line to meet and greet the Republican candidate for president.
_The extremely cute and bubbly Piper Palin, 7, made her debut on her mother's behalf, appearing in a video on John McCain's daughter's blog. "Vote for my mommy and John McCain," she said, giggling as Meghan McCain grinned.
_Bristol Palin and her 18-year-old boyfriend, Levi Johnston, sat and held hands as they watched the Alaska governor deliver an acceptance speech that, in its opening minutes, focused heavily on her family and children. Later, the family including Johnston ascended the stage, basked in an extended ovation and waved.
Huh? The Republican message about the Palin offspring comes across as contradictory: Hey, media, leave those kids alone so we can use them as we see fit.
If you doubt this scenario, consider this: On Wednesday morning, a teenage boy from Alaska stood in a receiving line on an airport tarmac, being glad-handed by the potential next president of the United States because he got his girlfriend pregnant. TV cameras were lined up in advance. The mind boggles.
"Either the children are out of bounds, and you don't put them in the photo ops, or you don't complain when somebody wants to talk about them. You can't have it both ways," said John Matviko, a professor at West Liberty State College in West Virginia and editor of "The American President in Popular Culture."
"Right now, it looks like they're being used by the campaign more than the media are using them," he said.
Though candidates for national office, and those close to them, are under more intense scrutiny than ever before in the American information culture, there is more to this situation than simple celebrity chasing.
These are two young people trying to figure out what to do in a difficult personal situation. The global scrutiny of it is a teenager's worst nightmare, and under normal circumstances they would be allowed to find their way unbothered.
But one big obstacle stands in their way: Sarah Palin the candidate.
Yes, she has asked the media to "respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition." Yet Palin has packaged herself as a PTA member and "hockey mom" culturally loaded terms calibrated to evoke appealing images of middle America, the middle class, exurbia and strong 21st-century family values.
"Our family has the same ups and downs as any other, the same challenges and the same joys," she said, one of many general and specific references to her family in her speech.
Using one's relatives as accessories in the political arena can have its pitfalls, despite McCain's remark to ABC News on Wednesday that Palin has "got an incredible resume, including a beautiful family." Candidates open themselves to charges of hypocrisy if they demand the ability to boast but reject the attention that can ensue when the road gets rougher.
McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds, however, takes issue with that conclusion. He says both positions are possible.
"There's a long-standing precedent of children of the candidates being in the public eye as members of families involved in public service," Bounds said Wednesday night. "There is also a long-standing precedent of candidates' children being left out of the hardball politics of campaigning for higher office."
Barack Obama said flatly that the Palin kids should be "off limits," but he has engaged in the same thing though to a lesser extent.
In July, he and his wife, Michelle, appeared on a four-part "Access Hollywood" interview with daughters Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7. Obama later expressed regret about his decision to put them forward, saying, "I don't think it's healthy, and it's something that we'll be avoiding in the future."
Nevertheless, the Obama girls have made other appearances. They stepped on stage twice at the Democratic National Convention last week once to talk to their father via video hookup after their mother's speech, and again after Obama accepted the nomination during the convention's climactic moment.
Let's remember one thing, though: Behind all the political machines and maneuverings, these contenders for the country's highest office are human beings and parents. And a parent is no more infallible than a candidate.
On her blog Monday, Meghan McCain expressed solidarity with the Palin kids, saying she understood the things they were grappling with. "It's a rough go being the son or daughter of a politician," she wrote. "You can't fully understand it unless you have lived it."
The road is bumpy for sure, and the media probably aren't helping. Sadly, though, the candidates themselves aren't doing much to make things better, either. _________________ Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the Comedian is the only thing makes sense.
Palin believes in abstinence-only education, despite the fact that it works about as well for the average teen as it did for her daughter. She slashed funding for a center which helped pregnant teen women whose parents don't happen to be wealthy politicians. She believes in taking away women's control over their own bodies. She's a dominionist (think 'christian taliban'). She's a creationist. She holds grudges and uses her office to get back at people she doesn't like.
All in all, this is a scary piece of work, and I have no doubt that we'll end up in a war with Iran if McCain/Palin get elected because neither of them has any self control when they're angry, and neither of them sees war and belligerence as a bad thing.
(some aren't Palin, but he didn't have a Palin tag on his posts) There are a number of criticisms there, including membership to an Alaskan separatist party. (say it with me: WTF!!!) _________________ Destroying reality since the end of time.
It is really interesting to see what other people are thinking of Palin now that people are now aware of her and to a lesser extend Alaska.
As an Alaskan citizen, I find it interesting that people aren't really talking to much to Alaskan to see how she is as an actual govenor.
Personally, she is ok I guess but I have to admit, Alaska doesn't have much of anything to do with the rest of the US. We have more interaction with Canada than with any other state in the union. With less than a million people in the whole state, we don't have many of the issues that the rest of the Union has. I haven't heard of that many foreclosures, one of our biggest issues is predator wolf hunting where people want the right to shoot wolves from helicopter, subsistance hunting versus game hunting, we don't pay state taxes but instead we get money since Alaska makes money off of oil so we get like a thousand dollars a year for just living here. I really don't see how she can been seen as someone who can really really relate to the rest of America, inless predator wolf hunting becomes a hot button issue, I don't really think she is bad but I don't think she has enough experience with the rest of america to have a say in what is best for it.
Also, before she was even govenor, she was mayor of Wasilla a place that has about seven thousand people of which most of them commute to Anchorage to work. It is interesting how McCain is soo against earmarks, but yet it is the bread and butter of politics here in Alaska! I think while she was mayor of Wasilla she got like two hundred million dollars through earmarks and she is stated in saying that it is a vital part of governing and should be utlized.
Also does anyone know that she gave us all in Alaska like twelve hundred dollars in addition to our dividen? The $1,200 is for energy relief however I am pretty sure that most people are going to spend it on a plasma TV. The money was originally for some communities in Alaska who absolutely cannot pay their energy bills during the winter, and this is for like 500 communities in Alaska which is a very small percent of the Alaskan population, but instead she gave it to EVERYONE instead of maybe giving a bit more to the communities who really need it and saving some money rather than giving this money to EVERYONE. I admit that the money is nice but I don't really need it since I live in a town, I won't call it a city since it is a town. To be honest there are like two real cities in Alaska, Anchorage and Juneau. Talk about fiscal conservative.
I don't know. She isn't bad, but she hasn't done that much and in a state that isn't really all that.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: Re: the all-purpose Sarah Palin thread
jamesohgoodie wrote:
on that note, a thought i had. is it sexist that Sarah Palin's gotten such a negative reaction in the very few days since her nomination, or is it because people think and/or she genuinely is a bad candidate? discuss.
Here's where the sexist bit came in - rather unexpectedly and out of nowhere the left was saying things about Palin that it would have skewered anyone else for saying at any earlier point in the last 30 or 40 years (primarily saying that she should be staying home with her kids rather than running for office is what did it - they've never done it to a man, they'd celebrate it if she was a woman left of center; as for cracks on Bristol getting knocked, the base just loves her even more for being an example of loving family regardless and that no one's perfect - cracks directed that way I think are just seen as non sequitur). I think the people who make the observation have it right though: no conservative is hated more than a black conservative, second most hated is a female conservative. The left is about gender base, minority base, and anyone on the right who would otherwise be a constituent of their ranks but who's fighting for conservative values is open game.
I don't quite think its hitting the levels that it did with Clarence Thomas but still, many of the 'feminists' are pretty much lynching themselves in the moderate and conservative woman's eyes and really bringing it to the forefront that the current feminist movement is really a lot like the current civil rights movement, it has no place for anything aside from a leftist agenda because in essence that's what's taken over and its an attempt to reshape America - damage liberty for the sake of end-outcome equality (Marxism). That's what I think women should be furious about, the comments against Palin not being it but rather a symptom of what they should really be up in arms about - that their movement to equality was hijacked by an agenda that doesn't represent them, one that departed with common sense quite a while ago, where what's left of it is really an insult to intelligence for most women.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:13 am Post subject:
Aysmptotes wrote:
Also, before she was even govenor, she was mayor of Wasilla a place that has about seven thousand people of which most of them commute to Anchorage to work. It is interesting how McCain is soo against earmarks, but yet it is the bread and butter of politics here in Alaska! I think while she was mayor of Wasilla she got like two hundred million dollars through earmarks and she is stated in saying that it is a vital part of governing and should be utlized.
I agree, she does have enough earmarks under her belt and I do believe, as I've seen no credible counter attacks, that she no doubt supported the bridge to Gravina Island before it became a national issue. McCain I think was just playing the cards that he had - he himself has never been for earmarks, nor raising taxes, and people can't debate that - he's got a boy scout's record. On the other hand, while that's great for him, he'll probably find that in no one else. Picking Palin I think was really about the energy issue, having the governor of a big oil state, one in which Anwar resides, really cuts to the core of both our energy issues (probably our biggest concern right now), and economics as well as foreign policy just by the broad nature of the energy issue. That and of course, we have a counter to Obamah. He's something like the outward second coming of JFK for the liberals, and we have your governor who in her own right I'm glad she's getting surface just on this even if nothing else - she's forcing the mainland U.S. into a cultural narrative, partly because she's got a style, could easily be a macro-icon for young conservative women, its really forcing the left to admit that they don't have a monopoly on womanhood.
Aysmptotes wrote:
Also does anyone know that she gave us all in Alaska like twelve hundred dollars in addition to our dividen? The $1,200 is for energy relief however I am pretty sure that most people are going to spend it on a plasma TV. The money was originally for some communities in Alaska who absolutely cannot pay their energy bills during the winter, and this is for like 500 communities in Alaska which is a very small percent of the Alaskan population, but instead she gave it to EVERYONE instead of maybe giving a bit more to the communities who really need it and saving some money rather than giving this money to EVERYONE. I admit that the money is nice but I don't really need it since I live in a town, I won't call it a city since it is a town. To be honest there are like two real cities in Alaska, Anchorage and Juneau. Talk about fiscal conservative.
Is it true that the rebate policy predated her? I'd heard that but I'm not sure if I'm getting the whole story. I did hear about her reform of the refund, ie. changing it from basis of gross revenue to net revenue, which at least gives the companies incentive to increase their expenses to lower the size of the refund, net effect being that they have incentive rather than disincentive to explore for more oil. Not that it makes her sound like Warren Buffet or anything but still, I think she'd at least endorse any good economic reform ideas that would come from McCain's cabinet.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject:
spudnik wrote:
She is one hot GMILF
She definitely seems to understand flair as well, first time I saw her the first visual comparison I made was Milah Jovovich in Ultraviolet; think its the glasses in particular. That said, a lot of the most prominent personalities in the western world of the 19th and 20th centuries, whether in U.S. or British politics, even looking at Moshe Dayan in Israel, they all had something about their style, their dress, that almost acted as a logo or at least was somewhat emblematic. To me that's a huge part of why people can't stop talking about her, if it had been her friend Linda from Hawaii or Kate from Texas - yeah, they would have been alright but wouldn't have had nearly the effect and I think its all the stuff I just mentioned (and yes, Alaska seems to play favorably - its remote and mysterious to a lot of people).
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