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Irulan
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Danielismyname
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| Quote: | Three or more of the following are required:
1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
The antisocial behavior must not occur exclusively during an episode of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
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Whilst I don't like diagnostic criteria at face value, the above is easy enough to deduce: I don't meet any of them. |
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Irulan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Danielismyname wrote: | | 2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure |
I'd say it's partly true - I'm good at lying when I see it can give me benefits because I tend to perceive people like some kind of mechanisms reacting to the same stimuli they react to in approximately the same way - and when I was younger I had even much more problems with understanding they could be something more than only mechanisms like living computers that don't have their own opinions and minds on their own, after all. But I try not to lie because I have paranoia others will get access to my thoughts - "I know I have lied to them so they know this as well".
| Danielismyname wrote: | | 3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead |
True, executive disfunction, problems with planning ahead belong to the most serious problems of mine.
| Danielismyname wrote: | | 4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults |
I am and always was irritable and nervous, normally I don't (and can't) show my feelings but when somebody irritates me I can become aggressive with ease (I never show it either, though). I never took part in a fight and I wouldn't like to (anyway I wouldn't be a winner, believe me; I'm frail and weak). I spin cruel dreams very often but I wouldn't like to bring them into effect even if I had such a possibility.
| Danielismyname wrote: | | 6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations; |
I do my best to get rid of it or at least hide it so everybody thinks me to be very responsible but in truth responsibility for something more than myself isn't a part of my nature.
| Danielismyname wrote: | | 7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another. |
I don't commit such misdeeds but remorse is something I feel rarely.
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Postperson
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| You sound like a sociopath. |
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Irulan
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| Postperson wrote: | | You sound like a sociopath. |
I'm not diagnosed with anything so I don't know myself what I have - if it's some personality disorder or something from ASD. I know I have many traits of schizoid personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder (but less than those schizoid ones) but I have also a whole lot of traits indicating an autism spectrum disorder: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt39373.html
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Irulan
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CanyonWind
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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"Mental health professionals" deserve less respect than astrologers because astrologers do less damage.
I'd never believe anything they said unless they said they were going to do whatever's necessary to make sure sadistic feminists can continue to hurt people for their amusement.
That said, people with antisocial personality disorder are also extremely charming and charismatic. People love them.
It seems to me that whatever wiring defect causes aspiehood, antisocial personality disorder is the extreme in the opposite direction.
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| CanyonWind wrote: | | I'd never believe anything they said unless they said they were going to do whatever's necessary to make sure sadistic feminists can continue to hurt people for their amusement. |
Um, elaborate? I'm a moderate feminist, and sadism has never been my forte. Some people in mental health professions have been good to me, some bad.
You aren't getting your opinions from that horrible book, One Nation Under Therapy: How the Culture of Helping is Eroding Self-Reliance, are you? Because that book was a pile of polemical bull.
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Sora
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Sure, it's possible.
I meet 5 (6) of 7. Genetic predisposition.
Read this, Irulan:
| DSM-IV-TR wrote: | Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder fail to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behavior (Criterion A1). They may repeatedly perform acts that are grounds for arrest (whether they are arrested or not), such as destroying property, harassing others, stealing, or pursuing illegal occupations. Persons with this disorder disregard the wishes, rights, or feelings of others. They are frequently deceitful and manipulative in order to gain personal profit or pleasure (e.g., to obtain money, sex, or power) (Criterion A2). They may repeatedly lie, use an alias, con others, or malinger. A pattern of impulsivity may be manifested by a failure to plan ahead (Criterion A3). Decisions are made on the spur of the moment, without forethought, and without consideration for the consequences to self or others; this may lead to sudden changes of jobs, residences, or relationships. Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder tend to be irritable and aggressive and may repeatedly get into physical fights or commit acts of physical assault (including spouse beating or child beating) (Criterion A4). Aggressive acts that are required to defend oneself or someone else are not considered to be evidence for this item. These individuals also display a reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others (Criterion A5). This may be evidenced in their driving behavior (recurrent speeding, driving while intoxicated, multiple accidents). They may engage in sexual behavior or substance use that has a high risk for harmful consequences. They may neglect or fail to care for a child in a way that puts the child in danger.
Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder also tend to be consistently and extremely irresponsible (Criterion A6). Irresponsible work behavior may be indicated by significant periods of unemployment despite available job opportunities, or by abandonment of several jobs without a realistic plan for getting another job. There may also be a pattern of repeated absences from work that are not explained by illness either in themselves or in their family. Financial irresponsibility is indicated by acts such as defaulting on debts, failing to provide child support, or failing to support other dependents on a regular basis. Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder show little remorse for the consequences of their acts (Criterion A7). They may be indifferent to, or provide a superficial rationalization for, having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from someone (e.g., "life's unfair," "losers deserve to lose," or "he had it coming anyway"). These individuals may blame the victims for being foolish, helpless, or deserving their fate; they may minimize the harmful consequences of their actions; or they may simply indicate complete indifference. They generally fail to compensate or make amends for their behavior. They may believe that everyone is out to "help number one" and that one should stop at nothing to avoid being pushed around. |
| Quote: | | Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder frequently lack empathy and tend to be callous, cynical, and contemptuous of the feelings, rights, and sufferings of others. They may have an inflated and arrogant self-appraisal (e.g., feel that ordinary work is beneath them or lack a realistic concern about their current problems or their future) and may be excessively opinionated, self-assured, or cocky. They may display a glib, superficial charm and can be quite voluble and verbally facile (e.g., using technical terms or jargon that might impress someone who is unfamiliar with the topic). |
| Quote: | | Antisocial Personality Disorder is more common among the first-degree biological relatives of those with the disorder than among the general population. The risk to biological relatives of females with the disorder tends to be higher than the risk to biological relatives of males with the disorder. |
| Quote: | | There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years. |
Conduct Disorder:
| Quote: | A repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated, as manifested by the presence of three (or more) of the following criteria in the past 12 months, with at least one criterion present in the past 6 months:
1. Aggression to people and animals
1. often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others
2. often initiates physical fights
3. has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun)
4. has been physically cruel to people
5. has been physically cruel to animals
6. has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery)
7. has forced someone into sexual activity
2. Destruction of property
1. has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage
2. has deliberately destroyed others' property (other than by fire setting)
3. Deceitfulness or theft
1. often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., "cons" others)
2. has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery)
4. Serious violations of rules
1. often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years
2. has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in parental or parental surrogate home (or once without returning for a lengthy period)
3. is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years
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| Irulan wrote: | I found here http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp1388218.html&highlight=#1388218 two guys, Demonyte and Pinwheel one of whom says he's a diagnosed sociopath and the other one has conduct disorder while their profiles say they both have AS so maybe it's possible to have AS and antisocial personality disorder in the same time?  |
It's possible to have both. Reading on sociopathy has been an interest of mine, and I've read a study where one of the subjects had AS and was a sociopath. Due to this, he didn't dispaly the typical charm that most sociopaths do. Autism and sociopathy and/or antisocial personality disorder have nothing to do with each other, and the statistics say 1 in 25 people are, so I'm sure it's possible.
I don't meet any of the criteria for either a conduct disorder or antisocial personality disorder.
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Dasha
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| not unless I want to be alone |
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thedarkpassenger
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Irulan wrote: | | I found here http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp1388218.html&highlight=#1388218 two guys, Demonyte and Pinwheel one of whom says he's a diagnosed sociopath and the other one has conduct disorder while their profiles say they both have AS so maybe it's possible to have AS and antisocial personality disorder in the same time? |
I have been diagnosed with both AS and antisocial personality disorder, so yes it is possible. But it really isn't a terribly bad thing, and I think a lot of media has made APD look like we're all sociopath murders and killers. Not the case at all. |
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Irulan
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thedarkpassenger
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Irulan,
Watch the first episode of Dexter. In the opening scene, he describes himself and how he feels about the world and his feelings. This is the most accurate description of APD I have ever heard. I would describe it exactly the same way. If you can relate to what he's saying, chances are you are a socio |
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