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aspiemom1
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: So confused, need help, frustrated (long sorry) Reply with quote

Okay, so I have 2 wonderful sons. They are currently 8 yrs (3rd grade-Aspie dx-Mainstreamed) and 5.5 yrs (Kindergarten-No dx except asthma which he appears to have outgrown-Mainstreamed). So here is my problem in a nutshell. My older son was dxed in sept 2006. He is classic aspie, though very high functioning and extremely high iq. My younger son is supposedly "normal". Now, I understand that mimickry is normal for siblings. This I accept as my sister did this to me when we were young. I know my younger does mimic some of my older's traits, however, he has some legitimately as well. I know he has sensory issues (especially sound). They are both almost hyper social (very inappropriate dangerous type behaviors even though we constantly talk about stranger danger). My younger is a bit more timid than the older when it comes to new people. Both are very inflexible with their routines. Older can be redirected (at times), but younger cannot at ALL. Once he sets his mind to something, thats it, thats the way it has to be or hes in complete meltdown mode. Neither can share much of anything. Everything is always about being first or winning (for both). Younger has started throwing complete tantrums if things are not "his way". Both walk in circles on their toes, though younger just started this since his Kindergarten physical. Both line up/sort all toys and play based on that rather than the normal way to play with cars, trains, legos etc. both have diagnosed anxiety issues as well.

So my question is this, what is actually "normal" behavior for an almost 6 year old? Is this normal? Is this learned behavior (note, younger has been in daycare since he was 6 weeks old for 8-9 hours a day and older was not allowed to play with him or be in the same class as him due to age differences, so most of the day he has not been with his brother for almost 6 years)? Should I have younger tested as well?

The reason this is coming up is because for the passed 2 days at school, younger has had a very very very difficult time. Today he lost it entirely and the teacher took him to the school counselor to try to have her help him make sense of "having a good day after having a bad moment". He lost it in music when he wanted to "help" (do something his way) and the teacher did not allow it (completely understandable) so he had a meltdown. His classroom teacher was told about the incident and his behavior clip was moved from green (good day) to yellow (minor incident) at which point he lost it. So the teacher sent him to the restroom to calm himself, at which point he started screaming at the top of his lungs that he didnt ever want to come back to school etc... At this point the teacher moved his clip to orange (major incident, and I dont blame her). She then took him to talk to the counselor. Now they convinced him that he was ok, and that he could have a "good" afternoon, which he did for the most part. Now, I know my younger son is stubborn to say the least. And I know he can be very very difficult to deal with. I have talked with him over and over about acceptable behavior at home and at school and out in public places. When he wants to be, he is a perfect angel. However, when he digs in he gives my older son a run for his money in the meltdown category.

Sorry this is so long, but they are both soooo different from each other and I dont know what to do or which way to turn now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. (side note, it was in kindergarten that we started truly seeing there was an issue with my older son.)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say chances are high you have two aspies.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it's time to have him tested to. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it can be difficult to be sure with a 5 year old. It's funny, because I am just now starting to question my long held assumption that my younger child, my daughter, almost 8, is NT. She has always been so different from my son, but, well, one can be Aspie and totally different from another Aspie, now can't they? But 5 year olds ... they throw tantrums, they have trouble adjusting to school, they start to assert more control over their world (narrowing food interests, demanding more routine, etc) because the world is getting bigger and scarier.

With our first children we started with a blank slate. Could tell something was needed; that classic ways of dealing with children were not working, and we asked for help. In the process we (or my family, at least), discovered that what we were seeing was Aspergers, and suddenley it all made sense.

I want to give my daughter that same blank slate, and I think your younger son should have it as well. The odds for Aspergers are up, of course, since it runs in families, but what about depression, anxiety, or sensory issues that are not coupled with Aspergers? It could be any of those things, or any combination. I've been thinking my daughter has chemical depression, but after reading a Wall Street Journal article about anxiety in kids, I am wondering if that is it. And, yes, I am wondering if she really is AS. But I don't want to lead to conclusions; I want to have one of the professionals I've come to trust and respect during the journey with my son talk to her. There are so many possibilities. I want the RIGHT one, and I think I'll know when we have it. We did with my son - AS answered pretty much everything with him.

We live in a complicated world that expects our children to deal with a lot of confusion. No wonder so many have trouble coping, and diagnosis of various conditions are on the rise.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you all soooo much. i really appreciate your opinions. i totally agree that a clean slate is needed for him as well. and i too am curious about the anxiety as i know he has these issues (doc says so too) hopefully we will see soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have concerns, bring them to the doc. nothing wrong with having him checked out.
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