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eigenvalue
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 Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Autistic vs Autistic |
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Okay. So Saturday my husband and I went to Lake Washington to feed the ducks. It was a nice day, so (ugh) there were many people at the shore. We sat on a stone wall, feeding the ducks, who would come close enough to take the bread from one's hand. After a while, a small blonde female child started running through the flock, shrieking like a banshee. The creature's piercing screams made my eardrums ache excruciatingly. I said "Beat it, kid," to no avail.
Then the evil beast picked up a long stick and began whipping at the birds as it ran through the flock. "Hey!" I said. "Stop it!" Still nothing. What sort of monster was I dealing with? Where were its parents? And why would it not STFU?
I could no longer take it when it began picking up rocks and throwing them at the ducks. I picked up rocks (all around there were about 1" in diameter) and began throwing them at the kid. I said, "Let's see how you like it when someone throws rocks at you, you little expletive." Of course, none of the rocks I threw actually hit the thing, because I'm totally uncoordinated. Too bad. I was aiming for its head.  However, the desired effect was achieved, because finally, a parent came running. Standard NT behavior - never do anything to stop their own monsters, but when someone attempts to teach the little punks a lesson, ooooooooohhhhhhh, that's so wrong! 
The father removed the thing, which only screeched louder now that its death and destruction was thwarted. Then he came back. He starts in on me that his child can't help her behavior, she's - (get ready for it) - autistic!
"So am I, and I never abused animals and ran wild! Control your damned kid!" I snapped back.
The man looked startled, then got angry about my "claims" of being autistic. He must have seen too much Autism Speaks propaganda. I showed him my med alert (thrust it in his face, actually), and told him I act like a human being because my parents expected me to. No, it's not always successful, but it's better than being a brute all the time.
Then my husband and I left. I was getting so angry I was losing my ability to speak. I hope I got through to the doofus. And yes, I know, technically it was wrong to throw rocks at a kid, no matter how painful the assault on my ears and regardless of the fact that it could have killed ducks because of NT society's ridiculous notions that value human life above animal life. Oh, how I loathe the inconsistencies of NT society! |
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UndercoverAlien
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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wtf worst father ever he lets her daughter trow rocks at ducks because she whas
autistic and she whas yelling i also beleve in the fact that animal life is not under human
life did your husband not react god that kid must be so friggin spoiled and the stupid "autism means your a retard"
must stop before people acctualy all start beleving that crapp f**k maybe i should starting acting like a retard to so
i could rob some shop without going to jail "because im asperger and im not aware of what i do" <.< |
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Danielismyname
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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That behaviour isn't out of the norm for a child with Autism. Granted, the father, if he had any care for the well being of animals, should have removed her from the area.
I wouldn't call her a monster, as she probably wouldn't understand that she was doing anything wrong no matter how much she is lectured. The father should know better, but then, some people don't care about animals. |
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patternist
Stirring the pot....
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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He obviously didn't find it too hard to remove the child once the child was in danger. I guess the father didn't care very much about the ducks, either.
Danielismyname, you routinely seem to be about the second person to respond to a post. I just noticed that and I think that's neat...
Not sure why.... |
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Callista
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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I can't believe you threw rocks at anybody. If she's a monster for throwing rocks at ducks...
Look, I'm not any good at figuring this stuff out. This is satire, right?
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UndercoverAlien
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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ofc your the bad one according to him sinds you where harrasing the child if he would start a
trail about this then he would win sinds "hes daughter didnt know bether"...i wonder what would
happen if you say your also autistic  i bet he would say your to smart for it 
she trew rocks which didnt hit the child |
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serenity
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| I find the father's negligence appalling, and your behavior equally so. Throwing rocks at a child, calling "it" names? As if it was the child's fault that no one taught her better. Why couldn't you have gone to the kid, pulled her aside, and said "no, don't do that"? And, "it" would not "STFU" as you say, because autistic children screech, because they can't help it. God help you if that had been my son. Your intolerance for others that have different forms of autism is atrocious. |
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eigenvalue
Hummingbird
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| serenity wrote: | | I find the father's negligence appalling, and your behavior equally so. Throwing rocks at a child, calling "it" names? As if it was the child's fault that no one taught her better. Why couldn't you have gone to the kid, pulled her aside, and said "no, don't do that"? And, "it" would not "STFU" as you say, because autistic children screech, because they can't help it. God help you if that had been my son. Your intolerance for others that have different forms of autism is atrocious. |
You must be an NT because you did not READ the post. I spoke to the thing twice. I was certainly not going to touch it. Human young are teeming with microbes. God only knows what sort of diseases it was carrying. Also, typically NT, you expect me to magically "know" it somehow couldn't follow simple commands. If it was unable to do so, it shouldn't have been permitted to be running amok like a rabid coyote. The parents should have had it leashed. I am autistic, I have never screeched. I hate noise.
Am I to assume from your wording that you would have been equally irresponsible in allowing a destructive, violent creature to run about, and then yourself assaulted me? I see where the thing would have seen the violent behavior modeled. For its own safety and well-being, it would, of course, need to be immediately removed from such a harmful home environment by Children's Protective Services. Your intolerance for others that have different forms of autism is atrocious. |
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serenity
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| eigenvalue wrote: | | serenity wrote: | | I find the father's negligence appalling, and your behavior equally so. Throwing rocks at a child, calling "it" names? As if it was the child's fault that no one taught her better. Why couldn't you have gone to the kid, pulled her aside, and said "no, don't do that"? And, "it" would not "STFU" as you say, because autistic children screech, because they can't help it. God help you if that had been my son. Your intolerance for others that have different forms of autism is atrocious. |
You must be an NT because you did not READ the post. I spoke to the thing twice. I was certainly not going to touch it. Human young are teeming with microbes. God only knows what sort of diseases it was carrying. Also, typically NT, you expect me to magically "know" it somehow couldn't follow simple commands. If it was unable to do so, it shouldn't have been permitted to be running amok like a rabid coyote. The parents should have had it leashed. I am autistic, I have never screeched. I hate noise.
Am I to assume from your wording that you would have been equally irresponsible in allowing a destructive, violent creature to run about, and then yourself assaulted me? I see where the thing would have seen the violent behavior modeled. For its own safety and well-being, it would, of course, need to be immediately removed from such a harmful home environment by Children's Protective Services. Your intolerance for others that have different forms of autism is atrocious. |
I read your post, and while I'm not 100% sure that I'm AS, I'm fairly certain. Besides, what does that have to do with anything? NT=stupid, because they can't read?
So, now everyone who has autism has to be exactly like you to qualify as having an autistic behavior? Just because you never screeched doesn't mean that no other autistics do. It's quite common.
I never, ever, ever let my children run around in public. Nor, would I have assaulted you. Please show me in my post where I had said such a thing? Nor, do I need CPS to remove my child from my home. Personally attacking my parenting, when you know nothing about my parenting is uncalled for. |
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eigenvalue
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Callista wrote: | I can't believe you threw rocks at anybody. If she's a monster for throwing rocks at ducks...
Look, I'm not any good at figuring this stuff out. This is satire, right? |
No, it's not satire. Since the thing was behaving monstrously, I assumed it was an NT child since 99% of NT children and 100% of NT parents are EVIL. Teaching someone how it feels to be bullied is not wrong. It's the only way many NTs will learn. Most of them aren't very bright, which is why they do the things they do in the first place.
Finally, there is no evidence the thing was actually autistic, only the NT parent's word. As we all know, NTs constantly lie. |
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0_equals_true
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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<-As you can see I like ducks a lot, so I would give the girl a piece of my mind for sure.
You probably don't know this but feeding bread to non domesticated ducks is not a good idea. I know you are only trying to be nice. Bread is not their usual food. The food they eat is as varied but generally leaner stuff then bread, and doesn't contain that much salt. If you continue feeding bread to ducks you are essentially domesticating them and they become less and les able to fly because they are too heavy.
I made the same mistake myself, but I've turned a leaf on that era. I do think it is funy how they can't chew and break up large chunks by shaking their head vigiously. |
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patternist
Stirring the pot....
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| eigenvalue wrote: | | Callista wrote: | I can't believe you threw rocks at anybody. If she's a monster for throwing rocks at ducks...
Look, I'm not any good at figuring this stuff out. This is satire, right? |
No, it's not satire. Since the thing was behaving monstrously, I assumed it was an NT child since 99% of NT children and 100% of NT parents are EVIL. Teaching someone how it feels to be bullied is not wrong. It's the only way many NTs will learn. Most of them aren't very bright, which is why they do the things they do in the first place.
Finally, there is no evidence the thing was actually autistic, only the NT parent's word. As we all know, NTs constantly lie. |
Wow, evil? That's a little extreme.
Okay, well, that's my two cents. |
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UndercoverAlien
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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ducks have something peacfull 
anyway i think the father whas allow to much way to much im so sure the kid will end up super spoiled and always yelling if she doesnt get something probbely wont be even get to stay on a school always being banned from school
i hope they find a duck head in there bed like the godfather i bet they would quit then |
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intense
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| eigenvalue wrote: | | Callista wrote: | I can't believe you threw rocks at anybody. If she's a monster for throwing rocks at ducks...
Look, I'm not any good at figuring this stuff out. This is satire, right? |
No, it's not satire. Since the thing was behaving monstrously, I assumed it was an NT child since 99% of NT children and 100% of NT parents are EVIL. Teaching someone how it feels to be bullied is not wrong. It's the only way many NTs will learn. Most of them aren't very bright, which is why they do the things they do in the first place.
Finally, there is no evidence the thing was actually autistic, only the NT parent's word. As we all know, NTs constantly lie. |
Hmm I can understand why you feel this way about NT's but your statement is not entirely 100% accurate.
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Sora
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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First of all;
You threw rocks at a kid?? Do you like people throwing rocks at you? What if a rock would hit your head, eye, whatever? Did you think on what you did? Because it certainly doesn't seem like that. Nobody cares if you aimed besides. The very intent of your action was plain horrible and wrong.
The behaviour;
I dare to say that as a parent or teacher of that child I probably would not have accepted or respected your argumentation.
Autism is diversity.
There's nothing unusual if an autistic kid would be quite loud, scream or shriek.
Just as this parent may have been wary if you and your autism, of course we cannot know whether this behaviour of the girl was due to her autism or if the child was misbehaving.
But there are autistic kids that display such behaviour because of their autism.
Perfectly normal - just autistic.
A patient parent seeing how that father did not snap at you or call the police.
If your issue was with the kids throwing rocks at the birds, you could have tried to figure out why she was doing it, talking to the parent, think about what you know about ASDs and then try to approach the issue together with the father.
Anyway, the attitude you displayed, I have no words for that.
About the 'thing'... How do you feel about people calling you a thing? Are you a thing too? I doubt it, why would you be a thing? You're a person of course. Then why is that kid a thing to you?
Just talking of that child as a 'creature' or 'beast' or 'thing' as well as shows, whether intended or not I don't know, an utter lack of respect for that autistic person and every other person, child or adult.
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