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Adrenaline
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One of the things I wonder is if since a collapsing universe would create many black holes and then one big singularity,
and it would take such a singularity to even conceive of pulling all energy and matter back, and since this would also distort time, I keep wondering if what the big bang actually was is where it all gets pulled back and the temporal distortions do not release its energy's until it goes forward or back enough in time that there is nothing left then releases it all at once in one big bang, therefore there would be nothing exploding when the big bang went off other then the release of the energy's that got shoved back or forward through time.
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chever
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| Adrenaline wrote: | OK, lets take a big step back and look at the whole picture. we just found an energy form that has temporal property's, basically you do something too it here and it affects a medium that it passed or is going to pass through on the other side of our world instantly if not at times before.
considering that this energy is susceptible to the universes and atomic magnetic fields then its boundaries would only exist in that of the total of our big bang from start to finish. it would be affected in all time zones of the existence of our universe as it passes through them. think of it as an invisible magnetic field that travels time.
then also add to this that many such energy units travel space as far as it can go in a striate line before some kind of gravity pulls it back, now with it travailing time, even so minute, its distances it can travel would be huge, so huge it seems it would leave or universe altogether, now if this is possible then there would be nothing for it to gravitate back too other then more of its own kind, given enough of this in an infinite amount of time I am sure it could grow in to quite a whole new universe all its own.
so the question would or should be, with the boundaries of our universe based on our perceived matters and energy's,
and our energy's reaching far beyond our known comprehensions, what are we going to consider our actual boundaries?
that of soled matter? or shall we include the radiations that hallo our known universe? |
What does this even mean.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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You have to squint when you read it.
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asplanet
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | I think there could be other universes parallel to this one.
"Whatever can happen does happen, in separate quantum realities ..." (ST:TNG) |
I agree asplanet is parallel 
But being serious I agree whatever happens does happen, no one really knows for sure... be boring if we did  and like to think as slowmutant put it the "whole universe as just a galaxy surrounded by empty void" I enjoy the endless discussions, with many theories anyway 
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malithion2
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Adrenaline, I'm sorry but you're not making any sense whatsoever.
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Adrenaline
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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I know what I am trying to say,
just I do not know how to put them into words that would help you comprehend what it is I am trying to explain.
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: |
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That's okay. I am reading your mind.
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chever
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Adrenaline wrote: | I know what I am trying to say,
just I do not know how to put them into words that would help you comprehend what it is I am trying to explain.
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Reading an undergraduate physics text before you post would be helpful.
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Adrenaline
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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OK, lets try this.
Imagine a tornado, at the center is a big black hole.
this tornado at the wide end is the collapse of our known universe,
the length of it is a temporal distortion that extends back (or foreword) to the beginning of known time,
now even though it may take time for everything to get sucked in on one end,
on the other it may get compacted and released all at once creating the next big bang.
so at the beginning of time nothing at all may have existed.
yes there could be the hawking radiations, but you have a big enough black hole even that could get sucked back in. |
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Drakilor
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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The universe is clearly finite. This is neither up for debate nor susceptible to personal opinion.
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Psimulus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Every process must be initiated, including the Universe. There is no beginning, their is no end, their are only in betweens. It has always been and will always be. Their is not and can not, by the very definition of the word its self, be more than one Universe. Their may be verses or versions contained within the Universe. Uni'verse. If the Universe at some point never was, then what induced its effect? And if this be the case, something Must preclude it. Anyone who says their is more than one Universe or that it is finite has not meditated deeply enough on the issue. Or perhaps have ulterior motives and would like to deceive you. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Drakilor wrote: | | The universe is clearly finite. This is neither up for debate nor susceptible to personal opinion. |
One's political orientation dictates the effective size of the universe. 
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malithion2
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Psimulus wrote: | | Every process must be initiated, including the Universe. There is no beginning, their is no end, their are only in betweens. It has always been and will always be. Their is not and can not, by the very definition of the word its self, be more than one Universe. Their may be verses or versions contained within the Universe. Uni'verse. If the Universe at some point never was, then what induced its effect? And if this be the case, something Must preclude it. Anyone who says their is more than one Universe or that it is finite has not meditated deeply enough on the issue. Or perhaps have ulterior motives and would like to deceive you. |
The universe you describe is unchanging and static, thats proven to be far from correct.
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Psimulus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| malithion2 wrote: | | Psimulus wrote: | | Every process must be initiated, including the Universe. There is no beginning, their is no end, their are only in betweens. It has always been and will always be. Their is not and can not, by the very definition of the word its self, be more than one Universe. Their may be verses or versions contained within the Universe. Uni'verse. If the Universe at some point never was, then what induced its effect? And if this be the case, something Must preclude it. Anyone who says their is more than one Universe or that it is finite has not meditated deeply enough on the issue. Or perhaps have ulterior motives and would like to deceive you. |
The universe you describe is unchanging and static, thats proven to be far from correct. |
That is simply your interpretation of my words. We are constantly changing form. An infinite series or parallels can also be considered to be composed of static moments. |
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chever
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Psimulus wrote: | | malithion2 wrote: | | Psimulus wrote: | | Every process must be initiated, including the Universe. There is no beginning, their is no end, their are only in betweens. It has always been and will always be. Their is not and can not, by the very definition of the word its self, be more than one Universe. Their may be verses or versions contained within the Universe. Uni'verse. If the Universe at some point never was, then what induced its effect? And if this be the case, something Must preclude it. Anyone who says their is more than one Universe or that it is finite has not meditated deeply enough on the issue. Or perhaps have ulterior motives and would like to deceive you. |
The universe you describe is unchanging and static, thats proven to be far from correct. |
That is simply your interpretation of my words. We are constantly changing form. An infinite series or parallels can also be considered to be composed of static moments. |
Wait
It seems like you're talking about a Riemann sum or something
What?
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