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patrick6
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 Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: Do you think that God could have created the big bang? |
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Are there any Christians out there who believe that God created the big bang?
I just learned a few days ago that the person to have discovered the big bang was a priest. I found this fact kind of bizarre since most Christians cringe when they hear about the big bang theory. The man who discovered the big bang happened to be a strong Christian (hence why he was a priest), while still believing the big bang to be the truth.
I've got something to ask you now: Why couldn't God have created the big bang? Are there any Christians out there who believe in the big bang? |
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schleppenheimer
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| I don't see why not. |
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oblio
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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i believe in the big bong, but then, i'm not a christian
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CelticRose
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Yes, I am a devout Christian and I believe that God created the big bang. Unlike some people, I do not believe that science and religion are mutually exclusive. I even believe in evolution, up to a point. I do not believe that men and monkeys have a common ancestor. Science can't prove that one anyway -- where's the missing link?
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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The Big Bang signifies, for me, the beginning of Creation.
Is ths Big Bag still banging, or has it begun to crunch?
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DNForrest
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | The Big Bang signifies, for me, the beginning of Creation.
Is ths Big Bag still banging, or has it begun to crunch? |
Still banging, otherwise we'd see a blueshift.
And while I don't believe that God created the Big Bang, I believe that it is possible. |
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twoshots
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | The Big Bang signifies, for me, the beginning of Creation.
Is ths Big Bag still banging, or has it begun to crunch? |
On the contrary, the universe's expansion is accelerating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
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slowmutant
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| DNForrest wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | The Big Bang signifies, for me, the beginning of Creation.
Is ths Big Bag still banging, or has it begun to crunch? |
Still banging, otherwise we'd see a blueshift.
And while I don't believe that God created the Big Bang, I believe that it is possible. |
What's a blueshift?
And if God didn't create the Big Bang, who/what else could have?
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DNForrest
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | DNForrest wrote: | | slowmutant wrote: | The Big Bang signifies, for me, the beginning of Creation.
Is ths Big Bag still banging, or has it begun to crunch? |
Still banging, otherwise we'd see a blueshift.
And while I don't believe that God created the Big Bang, I believe that it is possible. |
What's a blueshift?
And if God didn't create the Big Bang, who/what else could have? |
I'm not saying I don't believe in God, I'm saying I don't believe in anything, just possibilities based off of probability.
Blueshift occurs when light sources approach us, shortening the the light wavelengths and increasing the frequency, which makes the light shift to the "blue end" of the spectrum. Right now there's a redshift which is the result of most everything moving further away from us, increasing the wavelengths of the light towards the "red end" of the light spectrum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_shift |
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The Big Bang, from what I gather, just occured from nothing. As in there was nothing then time, space and energy and so on just spontaneously appeared in an explosion that came from nothing. Scientists now think that the universe expands and crunches in an endless cycle or is part of a multi-verse. Either way none of these explain where everything comes from. If the Big Bang did happen, then, in my opinion, God must have started it becuase the Scientific explantions are inadequate and to suggest they are adequate isn't Science any longer but opinion and belief.
There are too many Scientific inadequacies for my liking. Biogenesis, the spontaneous generation of life from non-life, is completely impossible. Macroevolution, as in ameoba to man, has insufficient evidence and many articles used as "evidence" really really is not evidence at all. The Cambrian explosion also literally disproves the theory of common ancestry. Scientists keep also holding up false articles/fakeries as "evidence" when I know for a fact such evidence is either faked or misrepresented. I wouldn't be so opposed to Atheism/Naturalism if they just stopped trying to brainwash people and claim people are "deluded" for not believing in them.
Every time I point out these scientific inadequacies to people they're like "HURGH!!! CREATIONIST!!!! DID SATAN DID IT?!!". How is this scientific refutation or reasoned debate? This just further highlight the rising illiteracy in Science.
People tell me to, quote, study up, unquote. I f***ing know more than them!!! I've been reading science books all my f***ing life and they not only tell ME to study up, but then proove they know nothing about said subjects by copy and pasting walls of "evidence" they don't attempt to explain and either isn't really evidence, doesn't address my questions or highlights more problems.
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twoshots
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Which is funny, because you just presented an oscillatory universe as the accepted model, when it is not and in fact as I stated the universe is actually accelerating in its expansion. The universe will not be crunching.
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DNForrest
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| Sling wrote: | The Big Bang, from what I gather, just occured from nothing. As in there was nothing then time, space and energy and so on just spontaneously appeared in an explosion that came from nothing. Scientists now think that the universe expands and crunches in an endless cycle or is part of a multi-verse. Either way none of these explain where everything comes from. If the Big Bang did happen, then, in my opinion, God must have started it becuase the Scientific explantions are inadequate and to suggest they are adequate isn't Science any longer but opinion and belief.
There are too many Scientific inadequacies for my liking. Biogenesis, the spontaneous generation of life from non-life, is completely impossible. Macroevolution, as in ameoba to man, has insufficient evidence and many articles used as "evidence" really really is not evidence at all. The Cambrian explosion also literally disproves the theory of common ancestry. Scientists keep also holding up false articles/fakeries as "evidence" when I know for a fact such evidence is either faked or misrepresented. I wouldn't be so opposed to Atheism/Naturalism if they just stopped trying to brainwash people and claim people are "deluded" for not believing in them.
Every time I point out these scientific inadequacies to people they're like "HURGH!!! CREATIONIST!!!! DID SATAN DID IT?!!". How is this scientific refutation or reasoned debate? This just further highlight the rising illiteracy in Science.
People tell me to, quote, study up, unquote. I f***ing know more than them!!! I've been reading science books all my f***ing life and they not only tell ME to study up, but then proove they know nothing about said subjects by copy and pasting walls of "evidence" they don't attempt to explain and either isn't really evidence, doesn't address my questions or highlights more problems. |
The problem I have with the "Scientific Inadequacies" argument is that it's merely the argument of "I don't understand how it can happen, therefore it's wrong". Don't get me wrong, I know I sound like I'm arguing for science and against religion, because I really don't care either way, I just don't like argument devices like this. Honestly, how is explaining something by saying "God works in mysterious ways" any different than saying "Science works in mysterious ways", or "God made it so" compared to "Science made it so"? The only difference is your original opinion of either of the subject matters. |
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slowmutant
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Essentially, yes.
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I have heard this notion before, and there are some problems with it. Since the Big Bang was a state of extreme chaos, it would be impossible for anyone, even God, to predict the exact outcome of (Earth, life, humans, etc.), so if God did it, it was a roll of the dice.
Secondly, no coherent structures would survive it, meaning that if God did it, he would destroy himself in the process. |
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slowmutant
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| AspE wrote: | I have heard this notion before, and there are some problems with it. Since the Big Bang was a state of extreme chaos, it would be impossible for anyone, even God, to predict the exact outcome of (Earth, life, humans, etc.), so if God did it, it was a roll of the dice.
Secondly, no coherent structures would survive it, meaning that if God did it, he would destroy himself in the process. |
God is omnipotent and all-knowing, all-seeing, so there wouldn't be anything He couldn't predict. God must exist outside of space & time, the universe and all the other verses therein,
where He can observe past, present, and future as one.
"I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End," God said.
This quote would suggest that God is bigger than space, longer than time.
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